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Ask HN: What were the papers on the list Ilya Sutskever gave John Carmack?

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Re: Ask HN: What were the papers on the list Ilya Sutskever gave John Carmack?

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Attention, scaling laws, diffusion, vision transformers, Bert/Roberta, CLIP, chinchilla, chatgpt-related papers, nerf, flamingo, RETRO/some retrieval sota

what do you mean 'scaling laws'?

J. Kaplan, S. McCandlish, T. Henighan, T. B. Brown, B. Chess, R. Child, S. Gray, A. Radford, J. Wu, and D. Amodei. Scaling laws for neural language models. arXiv preprint arXiv:2001.08361, 2020.

and multiple follow-ups

Re: Ask HN: What were the papers on the list Ilya Sutskever gave John Carmack?

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(Partly copied from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34640251 .) On models: Obviously, almost everything is Transformer nowadays (Attention is all you need paper). However, I think to get into the field, to get a good overview, you should also look a bit beyond the Transformer. E.g. RNNs/LSTMs are still a must learn, even though Transformers might be better in many tasks. And then all those memory-augmented model…

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Re: Ask HN: What were the papers on the list Ilya Sutskever gave John Carmack?

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(Partly copied from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34640251 .) On models: Obviously, almost everything is Transformer nowadays (Attention is all you need paper). However, I think to get into the field, to get a good overview, you should also look a bit beyond the Transformer. E.g. RNNs/LSTMs are still a must learn, even though Transformers might be better in many tasks. And then all those memory-augmented model…

I do wonder whether people behind Attention is all you need paper Will receive Turing Award It is being cited often

Guy who said - “I don’t understand all of this, can we just throw more machines?” should get the award.

Re: Ask HN: What were the papers on the list Ilya Sutskever gave John Carmack?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't it be fair to say that one has to know what the current path is and have some idea where it leads and what its issues are, before forging a new path? I mean, any idiot can go off-trail and start blundering around in the weeds, and ultimately wind up tripping, falling, hitting their head on a rock, and drowning to death in a ditch. But actually finding a new, better, more efficient path probably involves at l…

To walk a path no knowledge of the existing is needed. But to be able to claim it is new it is. Even more so to be able to claim that the new is better.

Bias and ignorance are two different things. No knowledge is ignorance. Bias is using knowledge to judge new knowledge. The goal isn’t to pursue things with raging ignorance but to pursue them with no bias and collecting knowledge without conclusion, then once you’re knowledgeable of what is there you can take off with raging ignorance in the direction no one has gone before. But you can’t do than holding bias any more than you can having ignorance of what directions have been gone before.

Re: Ask HN: What were the papers on the list Ilya Sutskever gave John Carmack?

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"The email including them got lost to Meta's two-year auto-delete policy by the time I went back to look for it last year. I have a binder with a lot of them printed out, but not all of them."

RIP. If it's any consolation, it sounds like the list is at least three years old by now. Which is a long time considering that 2016 is generally regarded as the date of the deep learning revolution.

Re: Ask HN: What were the papers on the list Ilya Sutskever gave John Carmack?

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Carmack says he's pursuing a different path to AGI, then goes straight to the guy at the center of the most saturated area of machine learning (deep learning)? I would've hoped he'd be exploring weirder alternatives off the beaten path. I mean, neural networks might not even be necessary for AGI, but no one at OpenAI is going to tell Carmack that.

This is pretty much the same deal in biology as well. At calico, at verily, at CZI, even at Allen, same story - they say they will reinvent biology research and then go get the same narrow minded professors and CEOs who run the status quo and end up as one more of the same stuff.

Neuralink is the only place where this pattern seemed to break a bit but then seems like Elon came into his own path with trying to push for faster results and breaking basic ethics.

Re: Ask HN: What were the papers on the list Ilya Sutskever gave John Carmack?

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Carmack says he's pursuing a different path to AGI, then goes straight to the guy at the center of the most saturated area of machine learning (deep learning)? I would've hoped he'd be exploring weirder alternatives off the beaten path. I mean, neural networks might not even be necessary for AGI, but no one at OpenAI is going to tell Carmack that.

It is possible to use neural networks and still be on a quite different path than the mainstream.

Of course, there are a group of people defending the symbolic computation, e.g. see Gary Marcus, and always pushing back on connectionism (neural networks).

But this is somewhat a spectrum, or also rather sloppy terminology. Once you go away from symbolic computation, many things can be interpret as neural network. And there is also all the computational neuroscience, which also work with some variants of neural networks.

And there is the human brain, which demonstrates, that a neural network is capable of doing AGI. So why would you not want a neural network? But that does not say that you can do many things very different from mainstream.

Re: Ask HN: What were the papers on the list Ilya Sutskever gave John Carmack?

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"The email including them got lost to Meta's two-year auto-delete policy by the time I went back to look for it last year. I have a binder with a lot of them printed out, but not all of them." RIP. If it's any consolation, it sounds like the list is at least three years old by now. Which is a long time considering that 2016 is generally regarded as the date of the deep learning revolution.

"considering that 2016 is generally regarded as the date of the deep learning revolution" --

I thought it was 2012, when AlexNet took the imagenet crown?

Re: Ask HN: What were the papers on the list Ilya Sutskever gave John Carmack?

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> "You’ll find people who can wax rhapsodic about the singularity and how everything is going to change with AGI. But if I just look at it and say, if 10 years from now, we have ‘universal remote employees’ that are artificial general intelligences, run on clouds, and people can just dial up and say, ‘I want five Franks today and 10 Amys, and we’re going to deploy them on these jobs,’ and you could just spin up like you can cloud-access computing resources, if you could cloud-access essentially artificial human resources for things like that—that’s the most prosaic, mundane, most banal use of something like this."

So, slavery?

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