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Ask HN: Why are there not more Apple-quality products?
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Re: Ask HN: Why are there not more Apple-quality products?
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
I had the Pixel 1-3 and personally I switched back to an iPhone because after the Pixel 1 every new iteration got increasingly worse. My wife is still on a Pixel 4 and it will land in the bin very soon too.
I've had Pixel 1, 3 and 5 and my experience was they got better every time
I'm still on my Pixel 3. It's even been through the washing machine.
Re: Ask HN: Why are there not more Apple-quality products?
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
Both Google and Samsung have extended the support. I don't think it is at the same number of years as Apple though.
Wow 3 whole years https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/4457705?hl=en
From your link:
> Pixel 6 and later phones will get updates for at least 5 years from when the device first became available on the Google Store in the US.
Re: Ask HN: Why are there not more Apple-quality products?
#84I'm not being facetious here but I have no idea what you mean by "apple quality". I've been using Macbook Pros for a long time. In my opinion "Apple Quality" died way back in 2013, possibly 2015. After that, they started introducing user-hostile phones, laptops, etc. The touchbar is a travesty and now you have to pay more money to have a normal experience. The feeling of the laptops and aesthetics are nice but the pa…
Both my iphone my MBA are now 4 years old. Both are absolutely fine and short of accidental damage I expect them to last me at least another couple of years. In all the time I have been forced to use windows laptops that were of “premium” quality, I have never ever had one last into its third year. So could it be that pre-2015 apple products were better quality? Probably. However, I don’t think we can say that curren…
> In all the time I have been forced to use windows laptops that were of “premium” quality, I have never ever had one last into its third year.
I've heard this often and I find it baffling. I've replaced only one PC in my lifetime when it quit working. Everything else I've replaced at 5-6 years old while working fine. Dells, system 76, Lenovo's, Asus, they've all held together fine. Heck my old windows 95 Toshiba still works.
Re: Ask HN: Why are there not more Apple-quality products?
#85I'm not being facetious here but I have no idea what you mean by "apple quality". I've been using Macbook Pros for a long time. In my opinion "Apple Quality" died way back in 2013, possibly 2015. After that, they started introducing user-hostile phones, laptops, etc. The touchbar is a travesty and now you have to pay more money to have a normal experience. The feeling of the laptops and aesthetics are nice but the pa…
> Apple produces garbage products. That's pure Apple bashing BS. It could be refuted in so many ways, but I'll pick an easy one. Apple silicon Macbooks Pros. They have no competition. The nearest competition you can find needs to be plugged into the mains, and even then it doesn't perform as well as Apple.
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Re: Ask HN: Why are there not more Apple-quality products?
#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
Wow 3 whole years https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/4457705?hl=en
From your link: > Pixel 6 and later phones will get updates for at least 5 years from when the device first became available on the Google Store in the US.
3 years for operating system updates from the time they first appear in the store. The iPhone 6s from 2015 ran the latest OS until September of this year. The iPhone 5s from 2013 just got a security update this past June.
On top of that, it depends on where you bought the device
> If you bought your device elsewhere, updates can take longer
Apple users get updates regardless of whether you bought the device from an Apple Store.
Re: Ask HN: Why are there not more Apple-quality products?
#87Honestly I think it is because there is a real disdain, or at least disrespect, toward the arts amongst many technologists and at many technology companies. They treat art and design as just an extra thing you do at the end, rather than a key philosophy that informs the entire product design process. This applies to graphic design, product design, even fashion. This is very much unlike Apple (under Jobs at least.) Jo…
> You rarely hear the same comments from other hardware company CEOs.
The vast majority of hardware companies don't know a thing about making great software. To them, software is just some other line item on the BOM, like a screw or rubber gasket, that you procure or build for as little cost as possible. Fasten six screws at station 1, glue on the dingdong module at station 14, and then just scoop some barely working software into the product at the very end of the assembly line. Just make it functional enough to not cause the customer to return the hardware.
Look at the iconography and typography on something like a digital picture frame, or even a modern TV's settings menu. They look like clipart resized by someone who doesn't know what 'aspect ratio' means. It probably all is clipart and bitmap fonts downloaded from some web site. These companies don't give a single shit about aesthetics and polish and it shows.
Re: Ask HN: Why are there not more Apple-quality products?
#88I'm not being facetious here but I have no idea what you mean by "apple quality". I've been using Macbook Pros for a long time. In my opinion "Apple Quality" died way back in 2013, possibly 2015. After that, they started introducing user-hostile phones, laptops, etc. The touchbar is a travesty and now you have to pay more money to have a normal experience. The feeling of the laptops and aesthetics are nice but the pa…
> I'm not being facetious here but I have no idea what you mean by "apple quality" OP said this: 'Android phones still feel like cheap plastic to me'. That's the difference. They break easily and a single drop can impair your phone, unlike an iPhone which can survive a nuclear blast. iPhones are the new Nokias.
That's the first time I hear this. Still "dropped iPhone, shattered/chipped" feels much more common than "dropped Android, need new phone" and that's with more Android users in my immediate circle. Did they make them sturdier again after the 11ish?
Re: Ask HN: Why are there not more Apple-quality products?
#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
I personally wont buy into macs walled garden for M1, I think a lot of technically competent people agree with me. In exchange for a superior chip I get an user-hostile experience and lock-in. Hard pass. Apple has first mover advantage. It won't be long before everyone is running M1-like chips and Apple will be back to making the same consumer nonsense they are now. Thats why I didn't mention. It's a big selling poin…
It seems disingenuous to me to call MacOS a walled garden. It may be a cultivated garden, but there are no walls. You can go download, build, restore, or otherwise use the software you like. I used a very expensive 2019 Intel Macbook Pro, and then an M1, not even the pro line. There was a big difference, the M1 build times were half and that turned directly into better productivity.
> It seems disingenuous to me to call MacOS a walled garden.
"Disingeneous" is polite, I'd say its BS because you can tell someone is an Apple basher when they start banging on about "walled garden".
MacOS at its heart is BSD.
If you download Xcode from the App store, then that installs a bunch of CLI tools as well, including make.
And thus, having installed make you can ....
Yes, that's right, compile your own software. Or just use brew if you don't fancy compiling stuff.
You are of course, also welcome to download Go, Rust or anything else and compile stuff in those languages too.
Then, whilst you're at it, you can download VMware Fusion or Parallels and run Linux or Windows or any other OS of your choice.
Walled Garden ... yeah right !
Re: Ask HN: Why are there not more Apple-quality products?
#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, Samsung has been doing an amazing job innovating with foldable phones which are sharply rising in sales (despite commanding prices higher than Apple phones).
Can you quantify this sharp rise? I can’t tell if you are being sarcastic.
They've more than doubled shipments every year for each successive generation. Which is impressive for phones that are more expensive than iPhones.