Ask HN: How do you deal with the end of globalization? • Hacker News Board

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with the end of globalization?

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Post by IAmGraydon » Mon, Oct 24, 2022, 12:54 AM UTC

ospider wrote: post #65

mupuff1234 wrote: post #56

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Is it risky for you to be writing this?

Posting English content on a US based platform is safe for me. I'm glad that I didn't skip all the English classes when I was a kid. :P However, I WAS asked to report to the police station once for cursing Xi himself in Chinese on Weibo. A lot of words have been banned or censored, such as Winnie the Pooh, just because someone jokes that Xi looks like it. It's indeed very oppressive and scary for anyone who is even o…

Be careful, and use Tor if possible. Best of luck, friend. I’m sorry you and your country are going through this.

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with the end of globalization?

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Post by IAmGraydon » Mon, Oct 24, 2022, 2:38 AM UTC

anm89 wrote: post #13

SapporoChris wrote: post #11

No. First you must produce compelling evidence that globalization is ending before you can should ask how to deal with such. I don't see the evidence, to many countries have on going interconnected relationships. Before we address something like this, you would need to show evidence that it is happening, such as: Imports and exports are halting for a majority of the countries. Termination of diplomacy and communicati…

These are always the most cartoonish viewpoints. How dare you have an opinion! This is the internet! SapporoChris is going to require journal published studies, probably several, before granting you the unbelievable kindness of acknowledging your question.

Having been a member of HN for 7 years, you should be well aware that we deal in facts and data here, and such things require evidence. If you want to spend your time with those who pull fiction out of thin air and present it as gospel, I would suggest you check out Reddit. It might be more your speed.

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with the end of globalization?

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Post by anm89 » Mon, Oct 24, 2022, 6:00 AM UTC

IAmGraydon wrote: post #82

anm89 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are always the most cartoonish viewpoints. How dare you have an opinion! This is the internet! SapporoChris is going to require journal published studies, probably several, before granting you the unbelievable kindness of acknowledging your question.

Having been a member of HN for 7 years, you should be well aware that we deal in facts and data here, and such things require evidence. If you want to spend your time with those who pull fiction out of thin air and present it as gospel, I would suggest you check out Reddit. It might be more your speed.

> Having been a member of HN for 7 years, you should be well aware that we deal in facts and data here,

Could you start with the "facts and data" of where it is specified that there is requirement for "facts and data"?

Having been a member here for 7 years, I can assure you that most posts do not contain "facts and data" and there is no requirement or implication of a requirement to post with "facts and data". In fact, a vast majority of everything written here is completely subjective and unsubstantiated.

See. I'm not going to prove that with any facts or data at all. I'm just going to assert it.

Ironically, you have a variation on breaking one of the actual written post guidelines in this very post:

> Please don't post comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. It's a semi-noob illusion, as old as the hills.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with the end of globalization?

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Post by pempem » Mon, Oct 24, 2022, 7:35 PM UTC

yogthos wrote: post #78

pempem wrote: post #53

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Definitely. And trade agreements will/do favor this alignment more than before Still, the majority of educated labor flow is moving towards the US and China/Russia make it comparatively incredibly hard for immigrants to move btwn these locations. Moving between China and India would be difficult, whereas all of these countries generally can largely rely on English being their common language esp India and S Africa, w…

>Still, the majority of educated labor flow is moving towards the US and China/Russia make it comparatively incredibly hard for immigrants to move btwn these locations. That's false as well First, China is already outpacing US in both quality and quantity of research https://physicsworld.com/a/china-overtakes-the-us-in-terms-o... China is also outpacing US in number of STEM graduates now, many of top STEM universitie…

From your comments:

- no debate on population and the ability to grow STEM graduates at a faster clip

- no debate on the general availability of education

- many folks debate whether there is enough innovation or space to execute on research that isn't in line with whatever the political stance is at the moment. This is a long debate and anyone with a proper understanding of US history can find many instances where the US government has also shut down innovation. That being said, foundational efforts that we all rely on daily have come from DARPA, NSA, CIA and other government funding sources and made it into global consumer goods

This is from the physicsworld.com article you posted: "They found that 1.67% of papers with Chinese authors were in the top 1% most-cited articles in 2019 compared with 1.62% of papers with US authors." This is not what one would call "outpacing".

To your other points re: Yandex and VK. I assume you know the below, but lets discuss:

Russia has fully blocked its competitors and built in-country players as has China. Not quite the same as growing invasively the way FB, Insta, Whatsapp, Paypal etc have from an external position. The government has advantaged their own players, which is fine but not the same. This I can say from reading and from first-hand experience having worked on growing Paypal in Russia and other emerging markets.

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with the end of globalization?

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Post by yogthos » Tue, Oct 25, 2022, 7:41 PM UTC

pempem wrote: post #84

yogthos wrote: post #78

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>Still, the majority of educated labor flow is moving towards the US and China/Russia make it comparatively incredibly hard for immigrants to move btwn these locations. That's false as well First, China is already outpacing US in both quality and quantity of research https://physicsworld.com/a/china-overtakes-the-us-in-terms-o... China is also outpacing US in number of STEM graduates now, many of top STEM universitie…

From your comments: - no debate on population and the ability to grow STEM graduates at a faster clip - no debate on the general availability of education - many folks debate whether there is enough innovation or space to execute on research that isn't in line with whatever the political stance is at the moment. This is a long debate and anyone with a proper understanding of US history can find many instances where t…

As I recall, Russia did allow Google and Fb to operate while Yandex and VK were ramping up.

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with the end of globalization?

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Post by 0x445442 » Sat, Oct 29, 2022, 3:53 PM UTC

orwin wrote: post #67

0x445442 wrote: post #34

China and Russia isolating themselves? You’ve heard of BRICS right?

Brasil, Russia, India, China, South Africa. Tell me, besides Russia who managed to align with both China and India in some way and is their intermediary (no kidding, Russian diplomacy was top tier before they attacked), which of this country do you think will align with each other against the US? China managed in five years to be hated more than UK and France in Africa (Russia however is very well viewed there, again…

I wouldn’t be worried for most BRICS. Their coalition is growing because the world sees the hypocrisy of the west. And even the legacy western media is reluctantly capitulating to that fact.

https://www.newsweek.com/nearly-90-percent-world-isnt-follow...