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Ask HN: 10k hours rule to master anything. Could I switch career when I am 43?

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Re: Ask HN: 10k hours rule to master anything. Could I switch career when I am 43?

#81
I believe there is a genetic maximum capability by age (GMCA) for any given endeavour. Certain categories of endeavours require significant time spent in youth (early teens to mid twenties) in order to reach GMCA - let's call these type 1 endeavours. For others, you can start later in life and still nearly reach GMCA (type 2). Other endeavours are more heavily skewed to genetics and may not require a significant time investment (type 3).

Examples of type 1 endeavours are violin, guitar, chess, skateboarding, gymnastics, hockey, soccer, competitive programming and slope style mountain biking.

Examples of type 2 endeavours are cycling and long distance running.

Examples of type 3 endeavours are sprinting, poetry and power lifting

This is a bit of a strawman, but I think it has the potential to be more accurate than GMCA can be achieved simply in 10K hours.

Re: Ask HN: 10k hours rule to master anything. Could I switch career when I am 43?

#82

Just do it. I'm planning to switch jobs from Software Engineer to General Contractor, just working on saving up capital for heavy equipment and materials. I took a great training course and now just have to pass the licensing exam. If your passion changes, just change fields, life is short.

This is cool. In construction? Do you plan on doing residential, industrial, or commercial? Do you have previous experience?I would love to build physical things for a living.

Re: Ask HN: 10k hours rule to master anything. Could I switch career when I am 43?

#83

1) The first bit of advice is to recognize that you, like almost everyone else who discusses "the 10,000 hour rule" (and what it means regarding "practice" and "mastery") have completely failed to understand what the actual author meant, so you do yourself and everyone else a favor by dropping the subject. 2) The second bit of advice is to examine this "reality" thing. You can, obviously, switch careers anytime you w…

> The first bit of advice is to recognize that you, like almost everyone else who discusses "the 10,000 hour rule" (and what it means regarding "practice" and "mastery") have completely failed to understand what the actual author meant, so you do yourself and everyone else a favor by dropping the subject.

It would be helpful if you can explain why people misunderstand this rule or at least point to somewhere that does rather than essentially saying, "you don't know what the 10k rule is".

Re: Ask HN: 10k hours rule to master anything. Could I switch career when I am 43?

#84
Regardless of validity of the 10k hour “rule”, you absolutely can. My mother, who had an undergraduate degree in electrical engineering but was a stay-at-home mom for 25 years, went to law school when she was 46. She worked as a patent attorney for 10 years before retiring.

Re: Ask HN: 10k hours rule to master anything. Could I switch career when I am 43?

#85
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You don't have to master anything to switch careers. I switched careers from marketing to software development at 37 yo. It took me 8 months of full-time study (I had the privilege to be able to quit my job to do that) to get my first job as a front-end developer. Now, 5 years later, I think it was the best professional decision I have ever made in my life. I am much happier doing daily work than before and, now, I e…

I’d love to hear more about this switch as a family member is considering something similar as a 42 y/o. If you don’t mind, was it long ago that you made this switch? Was there anything that you’d do differently in retrospect? The big one I guess: do you feel that not having gone the “traditional” route made it more difficult to find roles in the early days? Feel free not to answer if too invasive but I’d find any in…

It was in 2017. I wrote a lot about it at the time: https://rodrigohgpontes.github.io/

It was a different moment, not sure if better or worse for junior developers getting a first job. It was before companies were “desperate” to hire software developers, like about a couple of years ago, which made them hire more junior devs. But, it was also before the current hiring market contraction (as a proxy see a post mentioning the low number of posts in Who is Hiring thread). But, it was also before remote work was more common (it was effectively impossible to be hired remotely as a junior back then, now it is just hard). Not sure how all of this balances out.

I wouldn’t do anything different. I still vouch for not paying anything to learn to code. I used freeCodeCamp and it only got better since then. To see how I did it, the blog is a good source.

About not having a traditional background it both hurt and helped me.

I just reread this passage on my blog that I had forgotten:

”People will undervalue you. Chances are not all interviewers will be nice. On a promising application for a cool job, I got a call from the founder. He said something in the lines of "You know, you have to understand that you are competing with a lot of young guys who are coding since they are twelve. You have a lot of catch up to do. You have to expect an intern salary and even so work harder to show you can become a good developer. Because I'm not sure you can." Maybe he was just using some shitty negotiation technique to hire me on a low salary, maybe it was ageism, maybe he thought I was delusional on my aspirations and decided to give me a lecture to be more down to earth. Whether he was stingy, mean or patronizing, it was definitely a place that I wanted distance.”

So it hurted in this case. I also read some discouraging comments here on HN on a thread where I said I want to go from scratch to hired in 4 months. But, it also helped get my first job. I was hired to work a small team that one senior developer that was only 20 years old at the time. He was technically worth of being considered a senior, but had to improve in other areas. They saw me being a 37yo junior developer with a lot of professional experience and good communication skills a good match for him. Also, they valued my diligence and dedication on changing careers. Saw that as evidence that I would be continuously learning. So, my advice is to be able to demonstrate in an interview that previous professional experience will be useful in the new technical job. How do, depends on the background and strengths of each one.

I do think my blog has useful advice still in general.

I do think it is a good career change and possible at 42yo, and I would encourage them. The only small caveat is that they need to realize early if they “enjoy” coding. It is important. Few people are capable of committing to the continuous learning demanded to have a good career in software development “only” for the money.

Good luck to them!

Re: Ask HN: 10k hours rule to master anything. Could I switch career when I am 43?

#86
In my admittedly still short life, I have started to notice something: you can broadly divide the world into two groups - those who do things and those who keep wondering if they should have done things.

So for what’s worth, here is my advice to you: drop Gladwell and self-help books, if you want to and can switch to a new job, do it. Should it work or fail, you will have experienced trying. If you don’t feel like it or find yourself unable to because banks won’t loan to you, you can’t be hired or it’s finally not financially viable, don’t do it and rest in peace knowing it was your decision/you tried.

You don’t need an external reason like being too old or outside validation, you are old enough to make your own choice.

Re: Ask HN: 10k hours rule to master anything. Could I switch career when I am 43?

#88

I know this is just one person who was in a different time and under different circumstances, but I've found it inspirational to put age into perspective. Grace Hopper first entered computing at age 38, completed the first compiler at age 46, influenced the design of COBOL at age 53, wrote COBOL for the Navy through her 70s, retired from the Navy aged 80 and only then became a consultant for DEC. So for me , at least…

I don't know about this one. She got a Ph.D. in Mathematics from Yale when she was 27. This was in 1934, before Computer Science was an established academic field (it was the 60s before anybody got a "Ph.D. in Computer science"), so everybody was coming from some other academic background, often maths/engineering/physics.

Re: Ask HN: 10k hours rule to master anything. Could I switch career when I am 43?

#90

I know this is just one person who was in a different time and under different circumstances, but I've found it inspirational to put age into perspective. Grace Hopper first entered computing at age 38, completed the first compiler at age 46, influenced the design of COBOL at age 53, wrote COBOL for the Navy through her 70s, retired from the Navy aged 80 and only then became a consultant for DEC. So for me , at least…

There are two good reasons why Grace Hoppen should not be used as an example.

1. You are (likely) not Grace Hopper.

2. Computer science was, in a way, much easier back then. At least very different. Listen to the Brian Kernighan being interviewed by Lex Fridman; he keeps repeating that you didn't have to be as awesome back in his days, using himself as an example.

Saying "If Grace hopper can do it, then so can I" is like saying "If John Carmack can repeatedly write a AAA game (basically) by himself then so can I"[1].

Not only are you not John Carmack, but this is also not the 1990s. Hell, "throwing triangles at the problem" is just not as hard as it used to be.

Marie Curie got the Nobel prize in two disciplines. That's amazing. But doing it in 2022 would be 100x as amazing, making it basically undoable.

[1] Simplifying a lot. I'm aware of the story but I think my point is valid still, since it's "true enough" when measuring Carmack's coding impact.

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