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Ask HN: Apple dropping support for iPhone SE. What to do now?

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Re: Ask HN: Apple dropping support for iPhone SE. What to do now?

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Post by skyyler »

CodeyWhizzBang wrote: post #78
jstx1 wrote: post #5

To be fair to Apple, the 1st gen SE came out in 2016 with a 2015 chip and a 2012/2013 body, supporting it for this long is very impressive. There's still the later generations SE (I'm very happy with my SE2) or the 13 mini.

I do agree with you that Apple have done well to support this. But also 2016 is only 6 years ago. It's not just Apple thing, but it really doesn't feel sustainable for us to keep write off our hardware every half a decade.

I do hope to see these numbers get bigger and bigger as the years go on.

I feel like expecting 6 years of updates out of the iPhone 4 would have been kind of ridiculous!

Re: Ask HN: Apple dropping support for iPhone SE. What to do now?

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Post by skyyler »

frizlab wrote: post #53
ceceron wrote: post #51

I've switched to SE 2022 and it's "okayish". Much worse experience but good enough to get by and is reasonably priced. The mini model is another option, but is worse (no fingerprint, no button, notch...) and simply too expensive. The only plus of the mini model is the size, which is still worse than the original SE. To be honest, my favourite model was 4s ;)

I personally love the mini. Its size is perfect. For me Face ID is much better than Touch ID and I don’t mind the notch. Bigger downside for me is battery life but I think it compares with the SE.

If you went with the 12 mini like I did, the 13 mini supposedly offers a significant battery improvement.

Re: Ask HN: Apple dropping support for iPhone SE. What to do now?

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Post by dijit »

ppetty wrote: post #79
dijit wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eventually your banking applications will fail to support the old (potentially insecure) version of iOS.

That makes sense, to an extent. But tossing it in a drawer, from others’ posts, seems extreme. Calling, texting and many other functions may work well for a while. Bank apps may not get updated leaving web access as an alternative though maybe convenient.

Can't speak for everywhere but in Sweden there is the rise of "bankID" which is a type of authentication App for your phone.

I don't think they even offer the physical card+cardreader combo anymore.

That App is needed for access to Internet Banking via a web-browser as it sends a challenge to the App.

Re: Ask HN: Apple dropping support for iPhone SE. What to do now?

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Post by themadturk »

rjzzleep wrote: post #28
hedwall wrote: post #7

I use the iPhone 13 mini, it's marginally bigger than the SE.

I really dislike the fact that it only has Face ID in the age of masks, but otherwise I too think it's a great device. I'm surprised how quite a few apps in that ecosystem don't support the small formfactor though(i.e. keyboard doesn't close and you can't press next in some apps) even though it's not like in android where there is a thousand formfactors to support.

My former iPhone XR and current 13 Pro both work very well with masks.

Re: Ask HN: Apple dropping support for iPhone SE. What to do now?

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Post by layer8 »

Apple still issues security updates for older iOS versions from time to time for devices that do not support the current iOS version. You could therefore continue using the SE until you get a hard requirement for some app that only runs on iOS 16+, or need some newer hardware function.

Personally I switched to the iPhone mini, which, while not as nice a form factor as the SE, is still okay-ish for one-handed use. I’m hoping that Apple will again release a new small phone a few years down the line before the mini becomes unusable. They could refresh the iPhone mini in a similar cadence as they do for the iPad mini.

Re: Ask HN: Apple dropping support for iPhone SE. What to do now?

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Post by Gud »

ThunderSizzle wrote: post #46
danwee wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not only that. Many banks and government services nowadays require a phone (and/or phone number) as well. Their excuse? MFA. So idiotic. I can understand that they want to improve auth for the vast majority of their customers, but don't make it mandatory FFS!

Too many people, even here, praise MFA when they reveal how weak their passwords are. I've never had an auto generated password get broken into. Password databases should've been the solution everyone pushed, not 2FA. Also, it's really an attempt for these services to cut down on fakes and bots. Its easy to make new emails, but hard to get new numbers that aren't already black/brown listed.

What do you think is wrong with 2FA?

Re: Ask HN: Apple dropping support for iPhone SE. What to do now?

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Post by layer8 »

float4 wrote: post #57
dijit wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Marginally" https://imgur.com/a/W5b7RDF

The 12/13 mini is 9% wider and 6% taller[0], so I don't really think it's unfair to write "marginally bigger". Also, the second picture is a bit misleading because it compares the SE to a container that itself is larger than the mini (as you can see in the third picture). [0] Numbers from Mactracker. SE is 4.87" x 2.31" = 11.2497"^2. Mini is 5.18" x 2.53" = 13.1054"^2. That's a 16.5% increase in surface area

It’s almost 20% heavier, which for me makes a huge difference in how it feels. I now use a mini, but every time I pick up an old SE I cry a little inside because it feels so much better.

Re: Ask HN: Apple dropping support for iPhone SE. What to do now?

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Post by fragmede »

PostOnce wrote: post #50
doctor_eval wrote: post #35

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I know this was a joke, but... The walled city of Athens when Socrates lived measured about 1.5 km (0.93 mi) in diameter.¹ Moscow is among the world's largest cities; the city covers an area of 2,511 square kilometers.² Access to personal transport is an essential part of modern daily life, without which it is difficult to work, live, and even, sometimes, eat. ¹ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_Athens ² https:…

And yet enormous Moscow somehow functioned before we invented iPhones less than 20 years ago...

At least be honest about having a car to get around

Re: Ask HN: Apple dropping support for iPhone SE. What to do now?

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Post by ThunderSizzle »

Gud wrote: post #86
ThunderSizzle wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Too many people, even here, praise MFA when they reveal how weak their passwords are. I've never had an auto generated password get broken into. Password databases should've been the solution everyone pushed, not 2FA. Also, it's really an attempt for these services to cut down on fakes and bots. Its easy to make new emails, but hard to get new numbers that aren't already black/brown listed.

What do you think is wrong with 2FA?

As a user, it's not fast, user-friendly, or fail-tolerant. And all three of those vary heavily depending on the company implementing the 2FA.

A username/email and password is pretty simple and straight-forward. If I lose a password, I can reset it via my email. Therefore, the only account that should even consider MFA should be my email, since it's a gateway to everything else. But that also means my email shouldn't have to be connected to 20 other services.

Re: Ask HN: Apple dropping support for iPhone SE. What to do now?

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Post by brundolf »

layer8 wrote: post #85

Apple still issues security updates for older iOS versions from time to time for devices that do not support the current iOS version. You could therefore continue using the SE until you get a hard requirement for some app that only runs on iOS 16+, or need some newer hardware function. Personally I switched to the iPhone mini, which, while not as nice a form factor as the SE, is still okay-ish for one-handed use. I’m…

Two cents: I bought a Mini and returned it because it wasn't small enough to use with one hand. It's an awkward size that's small-but-not-small-enough.

My advice is to get a PopSocket; they can make almost any size of phone usable with one hand. At this point it seems like that's the best we're going to get

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