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Re: Ask HN: How did you start higher education after 40?

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I did my master's from age 50 to 52. It wasn't a "journey", whatever that means. It was fine, I really enjoyed it. Having 25+ years professional experience was a huge advantage compared to many of the others in the program. The only class that gave me trouble was DS&A, due to a crippling math disability (I love it but it hates me).

What is DS&A?

Guessing: data science & algorithms.

Re: Ask HN: How did you start higher education after 40?

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I did my master's from age 50 to 52. It wasn't a "journey", whatever that means. It was fine, I really enjoyed it. Having 25+ years professional experience was a huge advantage compared to many of the others in the program. The only class that gave me trouble was DS&A, due to a crippling math disability (I love it but it hates me).

What is DS&A?

Data Structures and Algorithms

Re: Ask HN: How did you start higher education after 40?

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I went straight to work and didn't get to college until 41/42. I'm working on my undergrad and plan to continue to my masters. I've found it incredibly rewarding for two main reasons. First, since I have a career already, I'm free of the pressure to go to school for career purposes and can focus on something I enjoy, which also provides immense value to what I'm doing every day (I chose philosophy, much more relevant…

Philosophy is essential, how it's taught is unfortunate. In my philosophy class it was almost all about the history of philosophy, not the reasoning behind it. Assignments and tests were all about time periods, the specific names of philosophical ideas, from whom they came from, etc. I'd rather have open ended assignments. Ones that give moral dilemmas, and challenge their solutions. Make me think about something In…

I have never taken a philosophy class that involved tests or naming philosophical ideas. The work of an academic philosopher is to write papers (like an academic historian or sociologist), so a philosophy degree should focus on writing papers. Often the papers will be analyzing previous philosophical work and attempting to present some novel synthesis of it, either with itself or with some broader context. Neither "giving moral dilemmas" nor "quizzes about history" fit anywhere into that picture.

Re: Ask HN: How did you start higher education after 40?

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> (I chose philosophy, much more relevant and practical than I think many realize). As others have already asked, could you expand on this? Very interested.

I hear a lot of non-engineers say this. Talking about formal logic, and how philosophy and math were once the same discipline, how math proofs are akin to philosophical arguments etc. I don't think this crowd would get much out of it.

It depends. Some people have really weak philosophical foundations and really need to hear about it if there is something out there that grounds them a bit better.

We can't say if any particular approach to life is the best, but we can say that if you change your mind about which approach is best at age 70 you've spent a lot of years setting up for the wrong outcome. It is never to late in theory. But as a practical matter 70 is a bit late to sit down, take a step back, ask why and try to act on it. Better for people to line themselves up with good foundations from their 20s or maybe 30s. It is good to explore the options early, and think a bit about what the word 'option' even means philosophically.

Re: Ask HN: How did you start higher education after 40?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (I chose philosophy, much more relevant and practical than I think many realize). As others have already asked, could you expand on this? Very interested.

I hear a lot of non-engineers say this. Talking about formal logic, and how philosophy and math were once the same discipline, how math proofs are akin to philosophical arguments etc. I don't think this crowd would get much out of it.

I agree. Philosophy gives you a level of abstract reasoning of the form: "if we agree (with Kant) that we should only take those actions which could be universal law, does it follow that the death penalty is morally justifiable?" There is some degree of reasoning from premises here, but all of the objects you deal with are things that you come into with a bunch of intuition that you never really leave behind.

On the other hand, something like:

> Given a one-dimensional invariant subspace, prove that any nonzero vector in that space is an eigenvector and all such eigenvectors have the same eigenvalue.

really forces you to grapple with an entirely different level of abstraction

Re: Ask HN: How did you start higher education after 40?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (I chose philosophy, much more relevant and practical than I think many realize). As others have already asked, could you expand on this? Very interested.

I hear a lot of non-engineers say this. Talking about formal logic, and how philosophy and math were once the same discipline, how math proofs are akin to philosophical arguments etc. I don't think this crowd would get much out of it.

In the very least, I think every engineer should take a "philosophy of science" class. We tend to focus quite intensely on how to do things. Borrow a little bit of "where do proofs and the scientific method sit in the grand pantheon of human knowledge" from philosophy is a bit grounding. Anyway it is probably a gen-ed that is at least somewhat useful.

Re: Ask HN: How did you start higher education after 40?

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My experience doesn't really match what you are asking, but I wanted to add that hopefully your education never stops. I consider myself under-educated in a formal sense (BS in Physics about 50 years ago) so I have always invested heavily in books and the time for self study. In the last 12 years, I have taken a large number of online classes.

Obvious advice from me: if you can afford it and want to go back to school, go for it! I would take some care in choosing a field with good future employment prospects. Good luck.

Re: Ask HN: How did you start higher education after 40?

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Ongoing PhD at 40+ (EE). It turned into a bit of an endurance event in the end. Covid didn't help, but the supervisor attitude was a vital consideration that I didn't really take enough notice of going in.

Also I wouldn't even consider doing it without a proper full-time wage as part of the deal, so you can just concentrate without having to worry about other work etc.

Re: Ask HN: How did you start higher education after 40?

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I got a masters in cs at the age of 48 and i would do it again! My rationale was this: I wanted to learn about ML and NLP and was willing to risk a certain amount of money to do it. I figured that if I could increase my earning power enough to repay myself in 5 years, then it would be well worth it (that worked out easily). I don’t think there is any way to dive into theory outside of school. And I think the collabor…

Hi, did that extra qualification that late in life help you in the career? I am asking because tech is notoriously for ageism

Re: Ask HN: How did you start higher education after 40?

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I started an MS in applied math in my very late 30s only having a BS in CS. I did it one class at a time, and it was relatively easy to juggle with work and family. At the time, I was looking at a lot of jobs that required an MS, which was the original motivation for starting it. I ended up not needing it in that way, but it has still been instrumental in my career and I don't regret it. I paid out of pocket and it h…

I am 34 years old and thinking about doing the same. I have an degree in civil engineering but the last couple of years I have a big interest in CS and math. If you wouldn’t mind - could you elaborate how it was instrumental in your career and how long it took?

As far as being instrumental, it's the usual suspects. Better role, salary, respect, job satisfaction, confidence, etc. It doesn't happen overnight, you still have to consistently perform. It's also what you make of it. If you get a degree that you never use and no one knows about, your life might not change much. I personally used my degree to help me tackle more challenging projects and work towards being an authority in my field. I found success in that, not everyone does.

It took about 3 years to complete the degree.

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