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Re: Ask HN: Anyone having issues with job applicant fraud?

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Post by s1k3s »

saddist0 wrote: post #54
s1k3s wrote: post #47

I'm not saying this isn't happening, but I want to mention that I often refuse to do stuff that my interviewers ask me to. Reasons being any of: I consider it useless for the evaluation, I consider it doesn't correctly asses my expertise, I consider it would put me in a bad situation etc. Of course, I can do all this because the market allows me to do it.

Isn't facial expression and your communication skills considered a part of your "expertise"? I personally prefer asking the person to open the camera or reschedule to a later date if they can't.

I personally agree which is why I also join every interview with my camera on. Objectively though you have to consider that the job market is a MARKET, and if the seller (candidate) considers they can do just fine without the camera (or anything else really) then you have to accept that fact and move on to another candidate if you can or just go forward with them without camera. Nobody owes anything to anyone here.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone having issues with job applicant fraud?

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Post by ghoward »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #46
xwdv wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Um we can still have nice things if people stop being naive. It’s not hard to verify someone actually exists… there are ways.

I know. It was a joke. I'm old, and have seen plenty of rejection, even though I'm "the real deal." But that kind of behavior has been used as an excuse for ignoring me. The icing on the cake, was when I was told that "I probably faked" my portfolio. At that point, I realized that I am radioactive, and might as well just give up.

Holy cow, you can't get a job? What?!

That makes me feel better about not being able to.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone having issues with job applicant fraud?

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Post by drdec »

xwdv wrote: post #42
strongpigeon wrote: post #21

Slightly tangential, but I wonder how long before you have people using deepfakes to look and sound like someone else on camera to perpetrate this kind of fraud. It seems like all of the pieces are mostly there.

In theory the only thing that matters is the results, not if they actually exist.

The point of the deep fake is to let one person interview while another shows up for the job and the employer is none the wiser. Presumably the person who does up is significantly less qualified.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone having issues with job applicant fraud?

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Post by jmcgough »

Someone I know hired an experienced programmer from Indian who interviewed well. When his first day started, he seemed extremely junior - needed basic things explained to him like command line usage. One of the people who interviewed him saw him on camera and told the EM he was pretty sure it was a different guy. The EM confronted him and he admitted it, so they let him go.

Makes me wonder what % of the time this actually works and no one is willing to fire them, or if it's just worth the salary of collecting a month of pay before you're found out.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone having issues with job applicant fraud?

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Post by plebianRube »

Yes. In a fairly large public company I worked at, I remember a DBA on contract got fired because he knew absolutely nothing.

But only a few weeks later he was back, in the same building, but using a different name on a different floor working as a Senior Software Architect.

He got caught because someone in the DB department recognized him, called him by his old name and they pretended they never new him.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone having issues with job applicant fraud?

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Post by s1k3s »

thefourthchime wrote: post #50
s1k3s wrote: post #47

I'm not saying this isn't happening, but I want to mention that I often refuse to do stuff that my interviewers ask me to. Reasons being any of: I consider it useless for the evaluation, I consider it doesn't correctly asses my expertise, I consider it would put me in a bad situation etc. Of course, I can do all this because the market allows me to do it.

Has that worked? Have you got any offers doing that?

None. I'm not using it to get more offers, I'm using it to save my time by skipping stuff I don't want to do.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone having issues with job applicant fraud?

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Post by alphabettsy »

atdrummond wrote: post #70

We had an issue with a candidate who was attempting to use our access to processing networks to facilitate financial crime. It was a coordinated state actor tactic. Happy to share more info with founders over email or IM; I don’t want to publicly draw the ire of those who attempted this.

I’m certainly curious. In a role that deals with large money movement.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone having issues with job applicant fraud?

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Post by bb88 »

yardie wrote: post #69
bb88 wrote: post #30

It's a problem here too. Even if they use their camera, it doesn't mean they don't have someone feeding them answers to questions. Phone interviews are even more sketchy since the person who may be answering the questions is a completely different person who shows up on day 1. We had one person we hired as a contractor, but then her voice changed on the phone, and started calling people by their last names in chat. I…

> A third contractor I knew was trying to do two jobs at the same time. I mean this literally how contractors work. Unless they were taking your IP and using it for another company I don’t see the issue.

Not if you're charging hourly, it's not. Then it's time fraud.

It's just like a lawyer's billable hours.

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