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Re: Ask HN: What makes you optimistic about the future?

#81
Because the pendulum swings both ways.

The past decade is not so different from 1973 to 1983, which sucked. US inflation ran high (12% in 1974, 13% in 1979), unemployment high (11% in 1982), we had two rounds of gasoline embargoes and rationing, US dominance in heavy industry was fading fast (steel, oil, coal, lumber, etc), Americans had been kidnapped and held for 444 days and our vaunted military bungled their rescue (1979), and until then, being under-educated in the lower middle class had never been a barrier to a decent career and lifestyle -- then it was. Those were big letdowns from the preceding post-WWII two generation-long boom. Unsurprisingly, America's can-do attitude hit the skids.

But we got over it. The economy rebounded in the 1980s and then exploded in the 1990s, and has remained dynamic ever since. Startups redefined business as we knew it. Computing and networking revolutionized access to products and media. Some forty years later, we can make international calls instantly, for as long as we want, essentially FOR FREE. We're in touch with distant friends and relatives as much as we want, any time we want, and can share almost any experience with them through photo, audio, or video. We carry an unlimited amount of music and other media with us wherever we go. That's just amazing, and deep down, we know there will be more where that came from. Further surprises await.

As far as our dwelling on the negative, people are herd animals. It's easier to react to the mood of others than think independently for ourselves. It takes time but eventually we remember this, and that dwelling on failure is a stupid waste of time and it just makes you unhappy.

What generally happens is that somebody or something (like the moon landing in 1969, or the arrival of the PC in 1975, or the internet/web in 1990/1995) comes along and gives us a rejuvenating shot in the arm, reminding us that life inevitably changes from what we know (and love), and yes, there's nothing we can do to stop it. But there are also some pretty great opportunities out there, if we're willing to stop looking backward and get on with reinventing ourselves.

Re: Ask HN: What makes you optimistic about the future?

#82
The Tony Seba hypothesis is a big foundation to my optimism: We're going through an unprecedented convergence of disruptive key technologies. Precision fermentation, renewables and batteries, AI, and more. All of these reduce our ecological footprint and improve our ability to live at a high standard in a relatively autonomous fashion. The rate of improvement in these disruptive techs is not linear; a big part of the hypothesis is that they keep beating expert estimates on key metrics by huge amounts year over year, and when plotted on a graph are on a hockey stick trajectory. There's no one magic breakthrough that saves the day, rather, it's an accumulation of effort in all these different categories that makes the numbers work in our favor instead of going Malthusian.

The reason why it looks grim is simply that we aren't in the "other half of the chessboard" yet: we don't have the self-driving fleets out in number, we're still fighting over oil, we're still using traditional agriculture for our protein, and we have a pandemic and social unrest in the background.

"Tech" as we knew it in the late 20th century - tech used towards state bureaucratic ends to accumulate capital and defeat adversaries as in "O Superman's" electronic, petrochemical arms - has basically arrived at an endpoint where it's limited by imagination. It can make numbers go up, but it can't address philosophical challenges about how to organize society and whether economic "growth" is where we need to go. So increasingly it's the latter that are being discussed, and that drives up the unrest, because a discussion about numbers going up is "cool story", but one about truth and purpose threatens everyone. Truthful messaging about the state of things is actually very loud and clear: "we can't live like this, let go, grasp the future" and the backlash is "no, you can't tell me what to do, the future is scary and I'll die before I let go". It hits everyone at some point because everyone had a stake in how it was, so you end up with a lot of people in varying states of cynicism to fanaticism.

But we've been through such transitions already; in moving towards agriculture, building cities, industrializing. We can get through it, collectively. But it can be scary precisely because we don't understand a disruptive future and where its dangers are. There are no comforting stories to fall back on other than the apocalyptic ones.

Re: Ask HN: What makes you optimistic about the future?

#83
The renewed interest and pace of innovation in space exploration is pretty exciting. We have a non-zero chance of making humans a multiplanetary species in our lifetimes. Even if we don’t fully achieve that we’ll likely see a bunch of benefits along the way.

Re: Ask HN: What makes you optimistic about the future?

#84

I think the best medicine may be giving up attempts at perceiving an optimistic future. I don't have so much 'reasons for optimism' anymore as a list of negative trends that might still be reversible. Cf the amazing _Cruel Optimism_, by Lauren Berlant, on how straining to see good things that aren't there is considered harmful: https://www.dukeupress.edu/cruel-optimism

Relatedly, here are some of the trends that I hope can be reversed. Pointing them out is a form of hopeful activity for me, because, like Rumplestiltskin, these are problems which cannot be solved unless they are named. Proviso: this list is WEIRD and is based on anecdotal observation from my own North American, relatively well-off life.

The skills we are losing were core human technologies, and, like reading and empirical science, hard-won. Specifically, we need to reverse declines in:

- Getting along with one another. Rapid differentiation of communities -- and indeed, the refactoring of the idea of 'community' as an affinity group -- has undermined the ability to do everything from build affordable housing ("NOT IN MY BACKYARD" etc) to respond to an actual, literal ground war in Europe against an unprovoked attack.

- One 'floor' down from that last point -- we've lost the ability to deploy what I'll call _imaginative_ or reflective empathy.

I'm using this term-of-art to distinguish what I'm pointing at from reflexive empathy, which is when you immediately experience slights to people with whom you identify as happening to you. Sadly, we've gotten a lot better at reflexive empathy, and a lot worse at its more cognitive, cosmopolitan sibling. This is a serious regression.

- Reductions in the number of close relationships. I don't have the stats handy but they are striking. Now, we all know that people who are lonelier tend to have worse quality-of-life and shorter lifespans, but what we don't talk about enough is the effect on thinking. People who are more isolated have fewer 'windows' on their train through life, and gain less understanding of this world. Every friend or social relation is a sort of window through which you get a fresh perspective, and with fewer windows, you will have less information, have fewer opportunities to practice vital skills, which, like singing, are either used regularly, or lost entirely.

Can these declines be reversed? Sure! Can we reverse them in time to fight climate change, instead of each other? ....Um! Let's blow on those dice and call it wind power ;D

Re: Ask HN: What makes you optimistic about the future?

#85
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Microtransactions required to activate heated seats in your car. I'm sorry, but the fact that this is the first thing you list under "grim" is just comical to me. This isn't even a 1st world problem, this is a 0.1-world problem.

The thing about the future is that it hasn’t happened yet, so we need to predict based on history. 1) Things that start in high-end luxury items eventually trickle down to the base models. 2) Always on mobile connectivity is getting cheaper and better. 3) It’s obvious to everyone that every companies goal is now to get all users on the hook for a recurring subscription. It really doesn’t take a genius to see how all…

Why is that horrible?

The logical endpoint is that my car just charges me per use for what I use. No money down, no repair cost, no buying a new one. Just like flying: I buy a ticket, I’m done. I’m not maintaining a 737.

Some might prefer that, and at any rate it’s not an example of OMG the world is going straight to hell.

Re: Ask HN: What makes you optimistic about the future?

#86
post #46

Stop dooming. It's the best time to be alive. Millions of people are being pulled out of poverty and we continue to make massive scientific achievements.

Absolutely. Best time to be alive, so far; but a hundred years from now, it'll probably be even better, except for all the naysayers talking about how cheap fusion is going to drain the oceans in 100,000 years, and decrying that the poorest people are stuck with substandard personal holovids.

Seriously. It's good to be cautious as a society but it feels like the general mood in the US has gotten way to anxiety ridden. We don't need to go back fully to the Reagan and Clinton absurd self confidence but we do need show some more vigor

Re: Ask HN: What makes you optimistic about the future?

#88
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I was a kid in the 70s and people were far gloomier about the future than they are now, especially after I moved to the USA. Think of yourself as swimming in the open ocean: you can't feel the big waves (low frequency/long wavelength), just the chop you are trying to paddle through. I think there are a lot of good things happening. There's finally progress on climate repair (tiny, but nonzero) which means we may have…

I'm extraordinarily pessimistic about North America in general and think the future probably belongs to the rest of the world. I have spent most of the past decade away from that continent, and my optimistic prospects have shot way up as a result, but I look back at that region and just balk worse every time. Visiting back to the place and it's just toxic bullshit everywhere, I even got punched in the head over a jar of peanut butter in my last most negative encounter. It's crazy how the pettiest of issues just balloon into the most horrible kind of drama out in that culture. I wish it wasn't so, but it's been really quite a breath of fresh air dissociating as far as possible when the writing on the wall for things not socially improving was clear enough for me to get a plane ticket and do my best to not come back. It's a place where you could get shot for too much mayonnaise on a subway sandwich. [1]

If they want to get with the program they'll have to do something about a giant portion of the population being horrible people. I don't know what to say about solutions regarding that but then again I go as far as pretending not to speak English when I encounter people from there while abroad so I don't have to have any bullshit. If I can sus them out as being alright (No utterance of bigotry as I hear them talk in English is a big one, basic international etiquette like not interrupting people on an automatic basis over everyone else in the room is too), I might be OK with them but otherwise it's just way, way more trouble than it's worth to bother too hard on that when there's a giant world of people who don't act like that.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peUYpHbuu5w

Re: Ask HN: What makes you optimistic about the future?

#90

In the short term, all the fundamentals of the economy are doing well -- unemployment rate, corporate profits, wages are up, et cetera. Sure the stock market is doing poorly. The stock market isn't the economy.

the gini coefficient disagrees. The US is the most unequal developed country, and continues to become more inequal. billionaires pay a lower effective tax rate than the bottom half of earners. if you think the economy includes all americans, then we’re doing horribly imo.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/10/08/first-tim...

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