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Ask HN: Europe to East Coast, does it make sense to move at 50?

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Re: Ask HN: Europe to East Coast, does it make sense to move at 50?

#81

Can you make a test move for just a few months and see if you like it? Employment aside, there are other things that matters when you change countries / continents. As an European, I wouldn't like to move permanently to the US. If you are making enough money in Europe, I don't see much incentives to move to US.

We don't plan to move permanently to the US, we are thinking between 2 and 5 years.

If we would be very, very unhappy I guess we could pack and leave, but that would be a worst case scenario that I'd like to avoid for the enormous stress that it would cause.

Re: Ask HN: Europe to East Coast, does it make sense to move at 50?

#82
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Hello there, I live in Berlin now and used to live in the United States. My family is there, and I go back to the east coast of the US often. The degenerating and dystopian quality of the United States is difficult to overstate, but almost impossible to capture verbally. Whatever one cause attributes to the systematic breakdown of the US, it is difficult to deny the realities of the decline -- massive alcohol and nar…

This comment captures my experience from lowly Eastern Europe as well, even though the US has some exceptional business opportunities.

It's true that money can insulate you from this societal degradation, but because of this approach by the upper class, the income percentile to maintain isolation is getting narrower by the day, until it practically evaporates.

Re: Ask HN: Europe to East Coast, does it make sense to move at 50?

#83
post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If anything goes wrong (or they realise what that kid's college education will cost) they have the option of pitching the house, likely with a gain large enough to buy anything they'd like back in Germany, and move back to the social safety net without much fuss. Especially well-played to move to the US as soon as the kid is old enough to no longer need special medical care or a daycare.

There are worse descriptions of a country than “Zero risk shot at huge upside“! I’m certainly glad my ancestors took it.

There are also better descriptions of a country than "it's great, as long as you're not from here."

Re: Ask HN: Europe to East Coast, does it make sense to move at 50?

#84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's what I'm talking about, it's just a completely accurate description and you're freaking out saying it said things that it didn't say! Zero things in it are false, but what you're claiming is: > massive alcohol and narcotic dependency issues This is a fact and it's not "[you're] all drug addicts and burning your own houses to the ground." The only way you can get upset is to straw man it really hard.

I find it hilarious that you think I’m freaking out. I’m laying in bed listening to the birds chirp, trying to provide some level commentary. I read the top comment and chuckled hard. It’s not even close to real. Social media is amplifying some really skewed info. Try living here, it’s beautiful.

I lived there half my life. It's a wasteland in comparison. That's how I know from first-hand experience and immersion in both sets of media that this isn't about "skewed info" but a complete lack of info for some people who have never lived somewhere they're comparing their country with. This guy is asking about where to go be old, which is a real thing that's going to effect his life... to me going back to the US as an old person is a nightmare. I wouldn't wish it on anyone, especially in the current state of deterioration.

Re: Ask HN: Europe to East Coast, does it make sense to move at 50?

#85
Attempting a concise rebuttal to doom-forecasting about USA’s future:

Which decade since 1900 was worse than the one before it? Did the daily newspapers predict the most impactful events of the decade (positive or negative)?

I share most of your current outrage and concerns, but history shows a clear net positive trend

Re: Ask HN: Europe to East Coast, does it make sense to move at 50?

#86
Note: sorry, my english is not my native language

My only advice(s) as someone in mid '40s are: 1. Don't jump to such a sudden and radical change, many-many things in US are vastly different that what are you accustom (strong point since you're from Germany) 2. Give it a try since you're mostly working as freelancer, spend 1-2mo (tourist visa) so you will not break up from your wife 3. See how's living there, if you can accommodate 4. Let us know (start ablog) :)

Re: Ask HN: Europe to East Coast, does it make sense to move at 50?

#87
post #68

Do not go. Here's why: 1) You have no network in the US. You will have to start from scratch. Remember how you started. Multiply difficulty level by 2. And you're not going to be any younger. 2) Salaries for perm positions being "significantly lower" in the US than in EU. This nullifies gains from moving to the US. Add cost of moving everything over long range by plane/cargo ship. 3) Healthcare cost. My friend asked…

> You won't be coming home to visit family for Christmas.

Especially if COVID-19 or similar comes back. That cut me off from my family for multiple years.

Re: Ask HN: Europe to East Coast, does it make sense to move at 50?

#88
I freelance and love it. The hard part for you will be getting your foot in the door. I’m about your age, and so far haven’t had any problems with employers in our industry. The rise of remote work probably helps you a bit with the employment side of your question.

As for the negative comments, what the comments here don’t address is this: the US is almost more like a bunch of countries rather than one single entity. Which of the states you choose- and which city— makes a huge difference as to your experience. There are absolute hell holes (Flint, Michigan comes to mind) and surprisingly pleasant places (my town of Greenville, SC which was run by an Austrian mayor for so long that it has a fairly European feel to it).

On average, the food here is worse. The bread is much worse. The coffee is terrible. But you can find great bread, coffee, etc if you go out of your way to do so (I do). And in NJ and NY metro areas, you’ll have plenty of good options.

The healthcare system is dumb and annoying, but fine (where I am) as long as you have insurance (which you should have through your wife). The fact that your healthcare is tied to your employer is so, so dumb. If you freelance and get a visa, maybe you can buy your own. That’s what I do, and it’s my preference.

Politically, we are really more divided than I can remember in my lifetime. But it doesn’t affect me at all in my day to day life. I suspect the next two years will be pretty rough if you care about politics. Personally, I just tune it out. I vote. But other than that, I focus on my family, job, local community, and hobbies, and I’m quite happy here.

Edit: one more thing: my wife and I are considering moving to France. I work remotely, so this is simpler for us than for many. Our plan is to start by testing the waters with a long term (3 months or so) rental. If you can do something similar, do it!

Re: Ask HN: Europe to East Coast, does it make sense to move at 50?

#89
post #68

Do not go. Here's why: 1) You have no network in the US. You will have to start from scratch. Remember how you started. Multiply difficulty level by 2. And you're not going to be any younger. 2) Salaries for perm positions being "significantly lower" in the US than in EU. This nullifies gains from moving to the US. Add cost of moving everything over long range by plane/cargo ship. 3) Healthcare cost. My friend asked…

>Salaries for perm positions being "significantly lower" in the US than in EU On HN, we hear all the time that the inverse is true. Is it because high salaries are limited to Silicon Valley? In Western Europe, freelancers with good credentials and a large network can have yearly gross revenuу of 100..200k€. Is this comparable to US freelance revenue?

I’m at the upper end of that spectrum, so I think yes.

Re: Ask HN: Europe to East Coast, does it make sense to move at 50?

#90
post #58
post #33

I don’t think people realise quite how good we have it in Europe. I would not leave Europe to live in America for any amount of money.

You do you, but a lot of the horror stories about the US relate to disadvantaged people (financially and otherwise). If “Any amount of money” is >$5M I guarantee you could buy a house in a quiet but close-to-a-city neighborhood, and have plenty left over for healthcare. You will read the same headlines about outrageous injustice that you currently are, but be in a better position to help fix them.

Yeah but anyone can become disadvantaged.
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