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Re: Ask HN: Feel bad about working in crypto, what to do?

#81

I've been in crypto since 2014. I just had the California Franchise Tax Board literally steal money out of a bank account of mine without any warning or notice. They left $0.01 in there and charged a $125 fee. I found out today they are claiming I owe taxes from when I wasn't even living in the country (and I was paying taxes then too!). In 2021/2022, I paid more taxes than I ever have in my life. I even over paid ju…

> Today, I ended up going to my other bank and pulling all of my money out as cash. I can't trust the system to not steal even more money from me. That's messed up. Because monday is a bank holiday, now I have to wait until tuesday until my accountant can deal with this bullshit. What kind of broken system is this? Same. It's insane how little control and power you have as an average person. Your bank accounts can be…

Yes. All of this is why "web3" is not bullshit and why I've dedicated years of my energy and my funds to it.

Try living in another country too, I have. Banking is the number one pain point. Even more than language issues. Ever tried to get your own money out of a western union in a country that doesn't speak your language?

If you're doubting "web3" then you've probably never experienced these sorts of pain yourself and I could understand your trepidation. But since I'm understanding you, how about understanding me too.

Re: Ask HN: Feel bad about working in crypto, what to do?

#82
For me, cryptocurrencies are comparable to a (for now) unregulated variant of the gambling industry. It’s probably a net negative for society but there’s still lots of supply and demand.

Speaking of net negative, enough people work for Big Tobacco, mass-market alcohol producers, fast-food giants, in pharmacological animal testing, for investment firms, loan lenders and weapon manufacturers. Arguments can be made for and against any part of these areas. They have benefits and drawbacks.

I believe you’ll have to make a value judgement for yourself, whether you’re fine with working on the supply side of things. Some people are, some are not.

Re: Ask HN: Feel bad about working in crypto, what to do?

#83
post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ETH has been a legitimate technology with real use cases for a decade now and all we’ve got is jpeg’s of apes. With the amount of real money, talent and hard work being pumped into this space we should have seen the use cases materialize by now. But there’s nothing. I’m sure someone uses it for something real, but I haven’t seen crypto actually solve a real problem any better than a plain old database. Please correct…

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The above commentator didn’t pretend to know anything. It’s an honest question and they asked with utmost humility.

Here’s the question: what’s stopping a significant adoption of blockchain technology from a _business perspective_.

I have my own take on this. It could be the increasing cost of transactions (in practice). Not indifferent from your current day financial systems, as we have inflation that causes costs to rise. Perhaps it’s the sudden rise, the volatile nature of fluctuations that make it different for crypto currencies. Perhaps the entire issue here is we measure fluctuations against fiat currency.

As more businesses start to operate entirely in crypto (producers and consumers) - we may see a more stable crypto ecosystem.

As for why is blockchain not gaining traction, it is somewhat related to above. Miners provide the backbone for any successful blockchain network. In a centralized system where all actors already trust the centralized authority, there is little business incentive in setting up a sophisticated ecosystem based on blockchain.

I’ve heard about governments considering using blockchain based tech to thwart internal corruption (immutable public records FTW). As these systems are developed, researched and then evangelized by the likes of HBR, we’ll start to see much greater adoption in time IMO.

Re: Ask HN: Feel bad about working in crypto, what to do?

#84

I've been in crypto since 2014. I just had the California Franchise Tax Board literally steal money out of a bank account of mine without any warning or notice. They left $0.01 in there and charged a $125 fee. I found out today they are claiming I owe taxes from when I wasn't even living in the country (and I was paying taxes then too!). In 2021/2022, I paid more taxes than I ever have in my life. I even over paid ju…

There are a lot of stories like this. There are also a lot of unbanked people (1.7 billion worldwide). People who fail to see the value in Bitcoin/crypto often are not aware of those very real problems people are facing. Traditional banking is great so long as you are on the happy path.

In northern Vietnam, where I've done extensive travel, to this day, women store their meager wealth in gold fillings because that is the only place where they can put it and not have it stolen from them. There is no bank where they can deposit funds and even if there was, the Vietnam govt's version of FDIC is like $2k.

Amazingly, they also have smart phones and the government has put 4G towers through the whole country and in the most remote places.

That's our usecase right there.

Re: Ask HN: Feel bad about working in crypto, what to do?

#85
It's no worse than sports, pokie or video game gambling and those are "accepted" in society.

The public has been casting lots forever[0]. Some people want to put their fate/outcome in some random system like dice, stocks or crypto. Those systems aren't truly random, but from the perspective of the participants it's close enough.

There is a theological topic on Cleromancy[1], the attempt to perceive gods will by casting lots (rolling dice or whatever) and interpreting the outcome as divine will. Many people do amazingly dangerous things like banging their mortgage into a crypto stock and rationalize the outcome for the winner as being "lucky" or the "universe" made it happen. These overlap with faith based patterns we've seen before.

Casinos and all that rig the odds so that the system of providing "random" outcomes can last forever as a corporation. But the human desire lasts forever, to put their fate in the hands of an external uncontrollable source. Crypto is just another method of casting lots for some members of the public.

Crypto is riding this wave of Roaring Twenties style excess we're living through at the moment. Get out by the end of the 2020s and you'll do okay.

[0]https://earlychurchhistory.org/beliefs-2/casting-lots-in-the...

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleromancy

Re: Ask HN: Feel bad about working in crypto, what to do?

#86
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Zoom and Netflix both lost 60-80% of their value in the last year and I don't see anyone declaring them dead. I don't work in crypto but I think there's a bit of a knee jerk reaction to seeing all the vaporware projects being wiped out (rightfully so). Consolidation and pruning of wasteful projects is good. If you feel like the work you're personally doing is positive, then don't worry about people dancing on the gra…

ETH has been a legitimate technology with real use cases for a decade now and all we’ve got is jpeg’s of apes. With the amount of real money, talent and hard work being pumped into this space we should have seen the use cases materialize by now. But there’s nothing. I’m sure someone uses it for something real, but I haven’t seen crypto actually solve a real problem any better than a plain old database. Please correct…

Use case: decentralized, censorship-resistant, programmable money. Sorry if it takes more than a decade to disrupt the most entrenched and powerful status quo on earth.

Personally, I never thought it would come this far so quickly, and am quite happy with the pace of adoption and progress.

Re: Ask HN: Feel bad about working in crypto, what to do?

#87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Today, I ended up going to my other bank and pulling all of my money out as cash. I can't trust the system to not steal even more money from me. That's messed up. Because monday is a bank holiday, now I have to wait until tuesday until my accountant can deal with this bullshit. What kind of broken system is this? Same. It's insane how little control and power you have as an average person. Your bank accounts can be…

Yes. All of this is why "web3" is not bullshit and why I've dedicated years of my energy and my funds to it. Try living in another country too, I have. Banking is the number one pain point. Even more than language issues. Ever tried to get your own money out of a western union in a country that doesn't speak your language? If you're doubting "web3" then you've probably never experienced these sorts of pain yourself a…

IMO, the term web3 is tainted by VCs using retail to dump their tokens faster than they can dump equity in traditional IPO which is less transparent to average schmuck because most of the money comes from the retirement funds passively investing in everything.

It's their shortcut to liquidity which resulted in overpromises and dumps.

It's not unreasonable for someone to be sceptical but to dismiss it all together is a mistake.

We need to go back to the core. Decentralized financial instruments built to help people prosper economicly. To uplift poor people in unbanked countries. To stop dictators from rugging poor people and investors. To provide individual freedom and highest level of personal attainment.

The yield bullshit needs to stop.

Edit: I don't mean all yield strategies, just ones which are unsustainable (most of them).

I want unsecured lending products in crypto based on on-chain reputation which happens automatically on taking small loans or doing a lot of transactions maybe endorsement system where institutions stake money in return of verification.

Banks won't provide loans to people who need them the most. Even self employment people and founders with millions of dollars in exit struggle with a home loan because banks refuse to deal with anyone who doesn't fit their cookie cutter.

I believe crypto has potential to disrupt it.

I love flash loans for this exact reason. They are unique to crypto, allowing freedom to anyone to increase market efficiency by taking advantage of arbitrage without creditionals and needing absurd amount of capital to start.

Re: Ask HN: Feel bad about working in crypto, what to do?

#88
post #60

Zoom and Netflix both lost 60-80% of their value in the last year and I don't see anyone declaring them dead. I don't work in crypto but I think there's a bit of a knee jerk reaction to seeing all the vaporware projects being wiped out (rightfully so). Consolidation and pruning of wasteful projects is good. If you feel like the work you're personally doing is positive, then don't worry about people dancing on the gra…

ETH has been a legitimate technology with real use cases for a decade now and all we’ve got is jpeg’s of apes. With the amount of real money, talent and hard work being pumped into this space we should have seen the use cases materialize by now. But there’s nothing. I’m sure someone uses it for something real, but I haven’t seen crypto actually solve a real problem any better than a plain old database. Please correct…

It's an alternative financial system with many of the same (and some different) primitives than the existing ones: Liquidity via AMMs (instead of human or HFT MMs), derivatives, loans, yields, fixed-rate instruments, etc. These are used in the same way the equivalents in TradFi are used, just implemented differently, permissionless and with an API.

I believe that many people don't understand the traditional financial world or how any of the above are useful. They want to see something like Twitter on the Blockchain because that's what they can wrap their head around. That's why so many people in the crypto space come from a more traditional finance background. They understand how the above instruments are crucial for an economy even though they are not end-user products like Twitter is. They are one layer below that.

Also, the decade argument is misleading in the case of Ethereum. It's true that ETH itself has been around for a while, but DeFi with sufficient liquidity has really only been a thing for 2-3 years and has made quite rapid progress since then.

Re: Ask HN: Feel bad about working in crypto, what to do?

#89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a lot of stories like this. There are also a lot of unbanked people (1.7 billion worldwide). People who fail to see the value in Bitcoin/crypto often are not aware of those very real problems people are facing. Traditional banking is great so long as you are on the happy path.

In northern Vietnam, where I've done extensive travel, to this day, women store their meager wealth in gold fillings because that is the only place where they can put it and not have it stolen from them. There is no bank where they can deposit funds and even if there was, the Vietnam govt's version of FDIC is like $2k. Amazingly, they also have smart phones and the government has put 4G towers through the whole count…

Same is true for Bangladesh, India, Philippines, etc. They all have good Internet connectivity but too many unbanked people.

Re: Ask HN: Feel bad about working in crypto, what to do?

#90
post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quoted post unavailable.

The above commentator didn’t pretend to know anything. It’s an honest question and they asked with utmost humility. Here’s the question: what’s stopping a significant adoption of blockchain technology from a _business perspective_. I have my own take on this. It could be the increasing cost of transactions (in practice). Not indifferent from your current day financial systems, as we have inflation that causes costs t…

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