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Re: Ask HN: Viability of an anti-AI social movement?

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Post by xyzzy123 »

keskival wrote: post #76

Refusing to utilize automation is what all those people refusing to use automated self-checking counters in supermarkets are doing. They say things like: "I want to be served by a real human", while basically condemning people serving them to standing behind checkout counters all day in a very dehumanizing and unhealthy task. These people are either getting their kicks out of subservience of other people, or what the…

I agree that banning automation generally reduces "abundance" and is generally "wrong" without good reason.

On the other hand, I don't see demand for manual labour as wrong - as long as it's a free exchange and the transaction is at a mutually agreeable price.

I don't think it's morally wrong to want hand-made furniture when ikea exists.

Likewise manicures, shelf-stacking or typing code into an IDE by hand.

Re: Ask HN: Viability of an anti-AI social movement?

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Post by rl3 »

trevyn wrote: post #58
NO-AI wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Today's transformer networks are the first hints of a technology that will replace humans completely for all purposes. It's qualitatively different, like world-destroying atomic bombs versus the minor explosives that came before. This is not like a loom replacing hand-weaving. We're rapidly converging on a full replacement for the human mind. These systems will not defeat you with guns like in Terminator. They will d…

It’s kind of poetic, no? Humanity’s final challenge is to accept defeat with grace and humility.

At our own hands, no less.

Re: Ask HN: Viability of an anti-AI social movement?

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Post by native_samples »

fxtentacle wrote: post #79

"As a society we can reject this technology" I don't think we can. If I secretly use my own DALLE2 clone to generate art and then pretend that I painted it, nobody can easily detect the difference.

Of course they can. They could ask you how long it took you to paint, they could ask to see your studio, etc.

Re: Ask HN: Viability of an anti-AI social movement?

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Post by keiferski »

There is very little discussion of Dall-E 2 in the art world. Why? Because art isn't just about pretty images, it's about human context, and the art world understands this.

Until AI can get itself into a human body and experience human existence, I wouldn't worry too much about AI replacing human creativity.

Re: Ask HN: Viability of an anti-AI social movement?

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Post by leereeves »

tluyben2 wrote: post #78

In my opinion we should not fight against advances in AI, but rather against having that AI be owned by a few big corps. AI must be open and when it gets to the point you describe, we might not have to work anymore; we need only to guard that that won’t kill us of hunger or turns us into Soylent while the few rich control everything. AI can make humanity better by helping us out of wage slavery so more people can pur…

I fear that even if AI is open, it will still be controlled by a few rich people, because only a few people will really understand it, and even fewer will have the resources to train brain-sized models.

Models like GPT-3 and DALL-E 2 are already out of the reach of most people, even researchers and entrepreneurs in the field.

Re: Ask HN: Viability of an anti-AI social movement?

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Post by barrysteve »

Ai can only ever be a mirror of our minds. It can't be more than what the programmer can feed it in training data made from other people's work from their minds.

Human creativity will diminish in value with or without AI, people are moving away from sweeping cultural changes and clever interpretations. People just want to look good and relate to ideas they like.

The tech is not in the drivers seat, it is just a facilitator made by our best minds. A moral movement "against" Dall E will be a futile attempt to call back horses bolted from the stables.

Re: Ask HN: Viability of an anti-AI social movement?

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Post by barrysteve »

fxtentacle wrote: post #79

"As a society we can reject this technology" I don't think we can. If I secretly use my own DALLE2 clone to generate art and then pretend that I painted it, nobody can easily detect the difference.

Fakes have existed forever, authenticity processes exist and chain of ownership technologies can be used to verify relationships to the original author.

Re: Ask HN: Viability of an anti-AI social movement?

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Post by encrux »

chank wrote: post #40
version_five wrote: post #33

> I work professionally in the machine learning field I'm curious what you do in ML, because I also work professionally in the field, and see no relationship or even pathway between current ML research and practice and any sort of "AI" that would reduce or commoditize human intelligence. It's all just marketing hype. If we somehow get "I robot" style robots (the movie, not the book) that we're uncomfortable with, sur…

>"AI" that would reduce or commoditize human intelligence. Computer generated art (DALL-E~), fiction literature, music et al. It wouldn't really reduce human intelligence, but it will definitely commoditize creative crafts even further. Which I think is what the OP is mostly referring to.

I don't think we should somehow limit the use of AI for creative purposes. What the internet showed on the last 10 years is that there's an abundance of content. This won't change with AI, it'll just be even more content.

What we need IMHO is a way or a method to naturally let novel and intriguing approaches float to the top.

Obviously there are methods currently (algorithms, votes, impressions, etc.), so I don't see how we couldn't develop a new approach to tackle an increasing amount of AI-content

Re: Ask HN: Viability of an anti-AI social movement?

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Post by barrysteve »

chank wrote: post #40
version_five wrote: post #33

> I work professionally in the machine learning field I'm curious what you do in ML, because I also work professionally in the field, and see no relationship or even pathway between current ML research and practice and any sort of "AI" that would reduce or commoditize human intelligence. It's all just marketing hype. If we somehow get "I robot" style robots (the movie, not the book) that we're uncomfortable with, sur…

>"AI" that would reduce or commoditize human intelligence. Computer generated art (DALL-E~), fiction literature, music et al. It wouldn't really reduce human intelligence, but it will definitely commoditize creative crafts even further. Which I think is what the OP is mostly referring to.

Some guy remade the droid and gungan battle scene from Star Wars Episode 1 in Unreal Engine 5. The original tool hundreds of people and millions of dollars in budget. The UE5 take looks better than the original and took one guy with nearly no budget.

'Traditional' tools are on the same path to devalues cultural outputs, AI is just another nail in the coffin.

Re: Ask HN: Viability of an anti-AI social movement?

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Post by emerged »

tluyben2 wrote: post #78

In my opinion we should not fight against advances in AI, but rather against having that AI be owned by a few big corps. AI must be open and when it gets to the point you describe, we might not have to work anymore; we need only to guard that that won’t kill us of hunger or turns us into Soylent while the few rich control everything. AI can make humanity better by helping us out of wage slavery so more people can pur…

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