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Re: Ask HN: Who decided copy+paste should copy styling/formatting?

#81
Even in Linux, it's surprisingly hard to make plain pasting the default. I once tried to research how to switch the Ctrl+Shift+V behaviour with Ctrl+V on KDE, and I gave up after a while. Couldn't find a way.

Ctrl+Shift+V doesn't even show up in the Shortcuts config, despite working in every program I've tried and Ctrl+V being in the list.

Re: Ask HN: Who decided copy+paste should copy styling/formatting?

#82

>It makes absolutely no sense that anyone would want to transplant styling/formatting into an email I do it all the time when I need to email a small table from excel instead of attaching the whole sheet, especially when it's backed by data that should never be sent in an email. It works fine. I used to not be able to do this. Content didn't paste nicely, or recipient clients didn't display it nicely. These days it's…

Copying a table is one thing, copying font style is another, I think.

formatting comes with it. I do a lot of formatting to make things more user friendly & readable. Otherwise it just looks like a wall of text & numbers.

Edit: my preference, if it's something that has to be reusable, is to do all of this sort of thing with tools that make the end result self-service & automated. But there's a lot of one-off work too, and more complex analysis usually takes place in a stats program or R or Python, and it's much easier to paste some output from there into excel and do some nice formatting quickly rather than coding it all in a way that would make it production-ready.

Re: Ask HN: Who decided copy+paste should copy styling/formatting?

#85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>the vast majority of users want to paste with formatting Oh, I highly doubt this is the case.

I think you overestimate the majority of users' ability to make good UX decisions.

How does that affect whether they will be annoyed or not when they paste something and it includes formatting that has to be removed?

Re: Ask HN: Who decided copy+paste should copy styling/formatting?

#86
post #20

In many, but not all programs on windows you can paste plain text by using ctrl+shift+v. Outlook desktop is one of the few places where this hotkey does not work. Before I knew there was a native hotkey combo, I created a autohotkey script that would do that and had a mini-tutorial that showed how. https://forum.digikey.com/t/add-a-digi-key-search-hotkey-eve...

It's incredibly annoying in Outlook. Every other Microsoft product I've used like Word supports the key-combo, but of course Outlook has to be different.

My company switched to Office over Google and this is by far the worst thing I've come across, and that's saying a lot.

Re: Ask HN: Who decided copy+paste should copy styling/formatting?

#89
Rich text is high-entropy, plain text is strictly lower entropy. If you lose the painstakingly applied formatting, you'll be sad, at least sadder than you were if you had to reset the formatting, which is comparatively easy.

I get you, my emails are plain text by default, but this is a relatively straightforward answer. Microsoft has been using rich text pasting since the 90s, I think. It was definitely considered a big feature in that era.

Re: Ask HN: Who decided copy+paste should copy styling/formatting?

#90
post #43

It's tough because you don't want the formatting...until you. If I'm editing text that has a few bolded words I'd be immediately annoyed if the pasted text didn't have the bolded instances.

Great point!

I'd then suggest that formatting that always conveys meaning (bold, italics, etc) should be copy/pasted.

On the other hand, formatting that often doesn't convey meaning (font face, foreground color, background color, shadows, etc) should not be copied by default.

A three-way option to system-wide (and per application) configure the behavior for control/command + x/c/v would be nice:

    * smart copy/paste (what I just described) as the default
    * copy/paste as plain text
    * copy/paste with full formatting
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