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Ask HN: Why was it hard to criticize Freedom Fries hysteria while it lasted?

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Re: Ask HN: Why was it hard to criticize Freedom Fries hysteria while it lasted?

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post #47

"Freedom fries" was always considered a joke and I never heard anyone ever use it except with dripping sarcasm. Everyone knew it was a joke from the very beginning. It also occurred when it was clear that with the emotions of 9/11 passed, that we had no real reason to invade Iraq other than a very loose set of connections and assumptions with very little hard evidence. I was in high school at the time of the Iraq war…

It was and it wasn't a joke in restaurants and mess halls on military bases. It wasn't an outright joke, but wasn't hardcore either though.

Re: Ask HN: Why was it hard to criticize Freedom Fries hysteria while it lasted?

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post #48
post #17

I do avoid buying Russian made products/products from companies that deal with Russia so the target market here is me, I suppose. If the product appears Russian I won't buy it, I assume there are enough others who feel similar that they would rather take it of the market than explain how it is not Russian. This has nothing to do with freedom fries, it has everything to do with the place the product is made.

Out of curiosity, is this issue particularly personal for you, or is just a principled stand against a nation that is doing bad things? I find it curious how China has been involved in an ongoing genocide for years now and we don't see this sort of move to boycott their shit. It's a curious thing to behold.

It's a lot easier to boycott products made in Russia than products made in China, because there's fewer categories where that means doing without a product at all.

Re: Ask HN: Why was it hard to criticize Freedom Fries hysteria while it lasted?

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post #82
post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity, is this issue particularly personal for you, or is just a principled stand against a nation that is doing bad things? I find it curious how China has been involved in an ongoing genocide for years now and we don't see this sort of move to boycott their shit. It's a curious thing to behold.

It's a lot easier to boycott products made in Russia than products made in China, because there's fewer categories where that means doing without a product at all.

>It's a lot easier

Got it, so it's really not about principle, but rather convenience.

Fitting, all things considered.

Re: Ask HN: Why was it hard to criticize Freedom Fries hysteria while it lasted?

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> I was too young to notice all the details in people's behaviour in the post-2001 political climate (and I've never been to the US). Anyone with some interesting perspectives who remembers?

The public in almost every country with the exception of the US and perhaps the UK were against the invasion of Iraq. On message boards people were debating the merits of going to war. Virtually every person in favor of the war argued in the same way. Saddam is not cooperating with weapon inspects so what should we do? We must do SOMETHING before ITS TOO LATE. Six months prior they likely had no idea Iraq even existed, but now they were really worried for their own security cause Saddam might do something evil. It most definitely was brainwashing on a massive scale.

Journalists and experts knew the reasons for the war were bullshit but they couldn't state it clearly. Some UN expert who I forgot the name of said something like "I recommend we let the weapon inspectors proceed with their work". Everyone on tv phrased themselves cautiously "it's unlikely", "we don't know", "it would be unwise"... That stuff doesn't get through when the other side claims a madman has nuclear weapons he is about to detonate so we must act NOW!!! Bush and his cronies enacted one of the worst mass murders of the 21st century (so far) and it's a shame they will never be brought to justice.

We should have learned something from this but we didn't. In fact, the bandwagoning on most political issues seem to have gotten worse. Criticizing government invasion of privacy? What are you? A pedophile lover? Objecting to ISPs banning Russian media outlets? You Putin puppet! Against vaccine passports? Anti-vaxer!

Re: Ask HN: Why was it hard to criticize Freedom Fries hysteria while it lasted?

#85
post #34

For the record, I think Freedom Fries were what they renamed the fries in the Congressional cafeteria or something like that. I never saw it on any menu outside of that. But it wasn't hard for me or my circle of friends to criticize, because it was so goddamn stupid. Not least because "French" fries were invented in Belgium. But there was also the very convenient oversimplification it represented, where supposedly "t…

French fries are not from Belgium. They are French and from Paris. A Belgium source about that but you can find many others. It’s a common misconception to debunk. https://www.rtbf.be/article/cuisine-la-frite-vient-elle-de-f...

I guess this amounts to an urban legend then. So much for 19 years of smugness!
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