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Ask HN: What kind of a downvoter are you?

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Re: Ask HN: What kind of a downvoter are you?

#81

I downvote things which are: - misleading or in bad-faith (straw man arguments, cherry-picking to the point of absurdity) - obviously designed to cause offence or provocation - which don't add to conversation ("this", "yeah", "same", etc) - unconstructively dismissive If it's something I disagree with but it's a good-faith argument and well written, I just move on. I know some downvote jokes/puns, but I don't mind th…

I am guilty of sometimes wording my arguments especially to provoke (and probably offend the faint of heart) when I feel there is obvious group-think going on, often, it is when the mob has conjured up motive or intent for which there is no proof.

But I understand what you mean if you mean provoke in the sense that trolls do it, baiting for a flamewar, etc.

Re: Ask HN: What kind of a downvoter are you?

#82
post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've resurrected quite a few of these; note that with flagging rights comes also the "vouch" button to keep the discourse more balanced. Would be interested to learn the proportion of flagged:vouched comments.

How much karma is needed before flag and vouch are available?

https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented

Re: Ask HN: What kind of a downvoter are you?

#83
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post #4

An interesting thing about HN downvoting is that it makes the comment disappear (for you) immediately. So downvoting = "I don't want to see/hear this" I sometimes reflexively downvote but when I see the comment collapse, it gives me pause and makes me think about my own motivations - do I really think that comment simply shouldn't appear for me, or do I just disagree with it? Even if I think it's ignorant or badly wr…

This is yours-only collapse [-], not downvote. Downvoting is enabled at 500, afaik, I just upvoted you to 500 for you to see/test it :)

Thank you for this. I was very confused about the behaviour poster described.

Re: Ask HN: What kind of a downvoter are you?

#84
post #45

I consistently downvote posts talking about voting. I have downvoted what I thought was great posts bcs they ended with a "inb4 incoming downvotes lolz".

same. especially the ones that try to go for "and if I get downvoted it's just proof I'm right"... because it basically never is.

Re: Ask HN: What kind of a downvoter are you?

#87
post #12

Chaotic Neutral! More seriously, I almost never downvote, when I do, it's mostly if it's outright offensive, either literally or intellectually, that is, not an argument that I disagree with as such, but one that I find offensively uninformed, self-deceptive or is nothing but value-signalling. That can include arguments that align with my own opinion [1]. 1. Contrived example: I may find a proposed law a bad idea bec…

This is the same thing I try to do. I'm very bad at flagging/downvoting as much as I should. Most days I'll read 3,000 comments and not downvote a single one. I want to religiously downvote and flag every comment which breaks HN guidelines. Especially jokes which don't add context/perspective.

examples of actual comments in the past 24 hours that I wish I had downvoted:

> 2022 will finally be the year of Linux on the desktop! /s

> So... fuzzy logic. Everything old is new again! Again!

> piety contests have consequences

> Top level commend: "in the fullness of time JAX might prove to be more important than either. don't give people fish, teach them how to catch fish and all that..."

> wtf I love crypto now

I'm looking for a more specific example but nearly every day I see an interesting article where there's one long comment chain which is just "textual memes", sort of a Markov-chain of pop culture references for internet nerds. There's no extractable commentary or perspective, but rather the purpose of the comments were for the commenters to have "participated" in their group activity. (Often it's a type of "Hello there, general Kenobi" call-and-response chain)

Some pithy-one liners hold great insight. That's fairly rare but it does happen. Its certainly possible to creatively utilize a one-word reference to a larger topic to contextualize the discussion in a surprising way. But rehashing a cluster of xkcd comics as a form of commentary, for the 10-millionth time, seems to more often just lead to a "circle jerk" of comments. Its easy to ignore, but I fear that by not aggressively downvoting zero-value comments, we abdicate our responsibility as HN's "immune system"[0]. That attracts and grows more culture of low-value comments on HN.

I would love if HN's collective moderation grew to be much stricter than it is now. To be clear - I don't want this to be applied to unpopular views that are constructively written. I just want us to remove low-effort drivel and reflexive (non)-responses.

Also many of my own comments fail my own standards when I review them 24 hours later. I would greatly appreciate it if HN could give me quicker feedback when I post low-value comments, so that I may better raise my quality floor.

0: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7590569

Re: Ask HN: What kind of a downvoter are you?

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post #4

An interesting thing about HN downvoting is that it makes the comment disappear (for you) immediately. So downvoting = "I don't want to see/hear this" I sometimes reflexively downvote but when I see the comment collapse, it gives me pause and makes me think about my own motivations - do I really think that comment simply shouldn't appear for me, or do I just disagree with it? Even if I think it's ignorant or badly wr…

This is yours-only collapse [-], not downvote. Downvoting is enabled at 500, afaik, I just upvoted you to 500 for you to see/test it :)

501 iirc

Re: Ask HN: What kind of a downvoter are you?

#89

The worst is users with the ability to flag content. I have dead comments turned on and see a lot of well-made thought provoking comments that that are flagged because they are contrary to the popular narrative. On the other hand there are a lot of bad comments that deserve to be flagged so it's a double-edged sword.

I've resurrected quite a few of these; note that with flagging rights comes also the "vouch" button to keep the discourse more balanced. Would be interested to learn the proportion of flagged:vouched comments.

Careful - if the mods disagree with your vouching decisions you can lose vouching privileges.

Re: Ask HN: What kind of a downvoter are you?

#90
post #5

On HN, I rarely downvote. I only downvote when it's blatant spam, or out of topic, or provocative. But on Reddit, I now tend to downvote things I dislike. I originally acted like on HN, but I noticed that _everyone_ else is downvoting because 'they don't like it', so I got on it too.

If you see spam, downvote it, but don't stop there. Flag it.
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