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Re: Ask HN: Coping with cancer in the family

#81
I'll reiterate the suggestion to take leave. If it's available to you, you don't need to take it all at once. I've been taking off every Friday to deal with 'care' issues.

Flexible bosses only get you so far IME. Family Leave is a good way to reassure to people that you still are dedicated to your job, but you have other stuff to deal with - and also that HR has officially reviewed and blessed your situation. It adds an extra level of 'validity' that can shut down speculation that you are just screwing off because you don't care anymore.

Re: Ask HN: Coping with cancer in the family

#82
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So, personally speaking, my mother has had breast cancer - and my dad has gone through a hat-trick. Prostate cancer in his mid fifties, kidney cancer about two years ago (in his seventies) and a pretty slow moving lung cancer about six months ago (that won't get him for quite a while so we're not doing anything about it). For my mother the cancer was caught early but still resulted in a mastectomy - an operation that…

Do you recall which graphic novels?

Re: Ask HN: Coping with cancer in the family

#83
First of all, I am so sorry you and your mother are experiencing this. As you state, it is life and life can be unfair. We like to think we have some measure of control and then something like cancer comes along and detonates your life and the routines that you have built up.

I lost my wife last month to an aggressive form of lymphoma. Se was diagnosed in January and was dead by October. It was a shocking experience for me, and for her of course. There was so much she wanted to do and now she isn't able to do any of it. That is the part that hurts me the most.

There is so much good advice in the other comments and I may end up repeating them, so I apologize.

I was the primary care giver for my wife and I was able to work for a while during the first few months. This gave me a sense of normality in an extremely abnormal situation. We both assumed the various treatments would work and we tried to live our normal lives. Looking back, this was a mistake. I should have taken leave right away, just to remove the noise of daily stand-ups, shipping features and the usual flow of working as a developer. If I had only known Melanie only had nine months, I would have been more in the present.

This is not to say you should smother your mother with attention. There is a balance. I wish I wouldn't have had other non-essential things filling my mind so that I could have just been present, even if it meant just being near, reading a book, programming on things that were interesting but non-pressing.

I don't know your mothers mental state. We all want to say things like "You will get better" or "You are so strong and brave". You might get fixated on finding cancer trials and try to manage the treatment. This isn't a bad thing, but don't make it the focus of your relationship.

Cancer is brutal and cruel. Our technology has made great gains, but there is no guarantee the cancer will go into remission or be eliminated. The treatment may extend life, but it will also cause severe distress to the patient. Your mother will probably get a port installed into her chest. It will be a constant reminder to her that she has cancer. Treat her with love and as normal as you possibly can.

She will have mood swings, feel hopeless, hopeful, get depressed, get angry, be euphoric, get crushed by reality and more. It is a roller coaster.

Be sure to take care of yourself. Get rest, exercise, eat well, meditate, enjoy nature and beauty. Share your emotional state with friends. Be open and receptive to feedback from those you trust.

Your mother may get better and I really hope she does! She also may not and this is a sad fact. Let her make decisions about her treatment if things aren't looking good. Figuring out how to maintain quality of life is important.

No one wants to hear it, but plan for palliative care and hospice before things get too bad. We don't have to suffer and be in pain as we near the end of life. Hospice is so important and I wish I had done a better job noticing the signs of pain and end of life earlier to make things easier for my wife.

I have so much empathy for you that I am almost in tears. I wish the best for for you and want you to be strong. What you are going through is one of the hardest things you will face in life. Please feel to reach out to me if you ever need to talk about anything.

Re: Ask HN: Coping with cancer in the family

#84
Sorry about your situation and I sincerely hope you get out of this soon.

My 11 year old son passed away earlier this year fighting cancer, he suffered from it twice over the past 6+ years. Our entire lives for the past few years have been trips and stays away from home

The first thing I can say is , you have to take care of yourselves both physically and mentally to be able to take care of your mother. You would end up making numerous decisions both small and large and the whole thing is taxing. In the initial stages of the diagnosis, we did not know what hit us, initially I took a break from work until I could get a grip of the situation. We realized that no matter what, we have to deal with it and keep our son happy and safe, there is nothing much we can do apart from keeping him happy.

Working helped me (Working from Hospital) , it helped me keep the focus and not getting overwhelmed with sadness. I used to work for an hour, then back to my son and so on in the first half of the day.

For you personally, figure out what works for you as a diversion, Work, reading books , movies etc. You need some time off to keep you balanced. I tried all these for the last 6 years – depending on my mood and it definitely helped.

Please take to other families at the hospital etc., it helps.

Please make sure you spend quality time with your mom , doing things which you always wanted to do, talking things you always wanted to talk. It keeps them happy and it makes you happy.

Sometimes , she might not tell you what she is going through; be patient , be strong.

Have been a read only HN member for many years, registered to respond to this. If you want to talk please ping me back.

Re: Ask HN: Coping with cancer in the family

#85
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My daughter was diagnosed with cancer at 3 years old (stage 4). I took "family leave", which is possible depending on which state you live in (within the US at least). I was able to take three months of leave (at a reduced pay). I lived in the hospital the entire time. I never went back to work though, I just couldn't find the focus, time or effort to be productive in a work/team environment. I honestly lost all "car…

Thank you for the book suggestion.

It feels like it does a much better job than modern self help books.

Re: Ask HN: Coping with cancer in the family

#86
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I drank a lot (really, a lot. Like so much you can have a seizure when you try to stop.) when my dad was dying. And didn't visit for a few months because I had the excuse of my toddler I'm raising. I regret not spending more time back up there with him and my mother until the very end. I know he was scared and I wish I was there for more of it.

I am so sorry alcohol caused you this grief. It can be such a destructive force. I don't know what your current relationship with alcohol is, but mine was not good at all. I have been sober for three years and it has made a huge difference for me. I also know that people can drink responsibly. I can't. If you ever want someone to talk to, please feel to reach out to me.

Re: Ask HN: Coping with cancer in the family

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post #59

So, personally speaking, my mother has had breast cancer - and my dad has gone through a hat-trick. Prostate cancer in his mid fifties, kidney cancer about two years ago (in his seventies) and a pretty slow moving lung cancer about six months ago (that won't get him for quite a while so we're not doing anything about it). For my mother the cancer was caught early but still resulted in a mastectomy - an operation that…

Do you recall which graphic novels?

They weren't specific to cancer - just emotionally touching. The most memorable one was out of The Maxx series.

Re: Ask HN: Coping with cancer in the family

#88
My sister was diagnosed with ovarian cancer a few years ago. It was the type that you don't survive. One thing I learned is that oncologists sometimes know very quickly that you're not gonna make it. Hers didn't respond to any of the treatments. She just started suffering from all the symptoms pretty much immediately: fluid on the lung first, blood clots soon after. Pretty soon the tumors had spread throughout her body, so various other things just stopped working, like her digestive system, which was pretty much blocked off. It's a horrible illness. She was gone within 9 months, and the last 5 of those were a sharp down-hill, with lots of symptom management. There was literally nothing anyone could do. I hate to depress or worry anyone who is going through this, but you already know it sucks. It's cancer.

What I decided, very early in her illness, was "screw work". I told them the situation, and said that I was going to be visiting her 2 days a week (I also had a home life to live, and life has to go on around cancer). Turns out they were extremely flexible and basically said "just let us know when you need to go, and then go". Turned out I was able to work on trains/buses and even from her house, if she dozed off, or was busy with other stuff. One thing I noticed is that, even though 9 months is short when it's the end of someone's life, it's an extremely long time to sit and watch.

To brighten things up a bit: you can't (and shouldn't) be sad all the time even if you or someone close to you has a terminal diagnosis. It benefits nobody. Graveyard humour is sometimes the funniest, because it's so fucking black sometimes that laughter just forces it's way out.

Mostly I just acted like there was nothing different. She thanked me for that many times later in her illness. She was constantly aware of the cancer, and just wanted to be able to think about anything else. My goal was to be there when I could can. Just hang out. We'd talk about pretty much anything except her terminal cancer: my wife, our dogs, her husband and 6 month old baby, what I was cooking for lunch...

She never accepted that she was dying, right to the end. See, she was diagnosed right after giving birth. I wish she did accept it, and try to deal with it, but as someone pointed out (the Chinese reference) perhaps for some people, you cease functioning once you realise it's "game over". But the outcome was that she didn't even leave behind anything for her son, who would never remember her. No recordings, videos, letters. Not a thing. She couldn't bare it.

Anyway, thing is, some cancers are very treatable. Some go away for a few years and come back in a more lethal form. And some just kill you within a few months. In her case, it was really obvious that she had the latter. She wouldn't discuss it with her own oncologist. Her husband had to carry all of that - every decision was left to him. She abdicated. So that brings me to the last part: you need to be there just as much for the satellites that orbit the cancer, as for the person with the cancer. They're all going through the meat grinder. My 94 year old father never thought that he's have to lose a child (he married late, and assumed he'd be the first out of our family to die). My mother was my sister's her best friend, and they saw each other daily. It was extremely tough on her, so I called on her a lot too.

Three years on: life just goes on. Her son is in pre-school. My father is still alive and in relatively great condition for his age. My mother lives for her grandchild. My brother in law has a girlfriend, which is great for him, and everybody is happy for him.

Re: Ask HN: Coping with cancer in the family

#89
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wasn’t clear. I’m not suggesting sitting through treatment, I meant the monthly 17 second visit with the oncologist. Often mom wasn’t completely accurate in describing her condition or side effects. It’s useful for someone else to be there to help the MD get an accurate picture, and to remember what was said afterwards.

Oh I followed - and I really couldn't have anyone with me at those visits either.

Ours opened up Mayish for 1 visitor. I was also able to use the telehealth app and, a couple of times, just FaceTime.

Re: Ask HN: Coping with cancer in the family

#90
I lost my mother a few years ago to an abrupt cancer diagnosis. Just being by her side every hour I could was all that mattered in the end. I went to work, kept eating and being present for my wife etc to honor the life and love that she gave me even though it all felt impossibly difficult. I think of her every day but somehow have no real regrets about her passing.

Chapter 96 in Ministry for the Future oddly summarizes and validates my experience almost perfectly, for whatever that's worth.

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