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Re: Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to?

#81
I am not switching.

I already had a deep mistrust for "cloud" services irrespective of who the provider is. My position on "cloud services" meant I have never used any Apple cloud services.

I see no reason to switch away from what is otherwise a very high quality platform. This is perhaps especially the case on the phone side where the overall security and privacy in general is better than Android.

Re: Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to?

#84
For those who want to keep using their Apple devices, I highly recommend Nextcloud as an iCloud Photos alternative. I've been running an instance of it on a little Pine64 for quite some time now without any issues.

Though I'll still the say the crux of the issue is that the majority of users _won't_ have iCloud Photos disabled, and thus have their privacy violated.

Re: Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to?

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post #29

This seems like an over-reaction. I'm highly opposed to Apple's CSAM move but they are still much better and transparent than Google, Amazon, and most other services. Many of these already do something like this but they just don't actively tell you or document it. Also, and please correct me if I am mistaken, Apple's CSAM is limited to iCloud for Photos. It does not just work against your local photos. CSAM Detectio…

For me, it was well thought-out. Apple betrayed my trust as a consumer and the response in the past week was plain gaslighting. I thought about it for a couple of days and then decided that I don't want to support a company like that anymore. (edit)I was planning to buy a new MBP/iPhone/Watch in Q4, so this made it easier to decide on those purchases earlier.(/edit) It's correct that the CSAM scanning is currently on…

Here's the thing. You might hate Apple for what they did. But I'm looking at the competition (Google, Amazon, Microsoft) and they're still worse for privacy in well-documented ways. It's an evil but it's still the least among evils.

Re: Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to?

#86

To be honest... None. It's a choice. You might wholly disagree, but recent events aren't enough to get me to switch yet, because I think the competition has too many tradeoffs. I can get my photos scanned against a CSAM database... or I can have Google tracking my location constantly regardless of what they say (as they've been proven to be misleading in the past)... or I can use a Linux phone and say goodbye to batt…

> I can get my photos scanned against a CSAM database... or I can have Google tracking my location constantly

That's a false dichotomy. There are competitors offering various levels of maturity and functionality. Jolla exists, PinePhone, Xiaomi, Librem 5, dumb phones, POTS landline, no phone...

And yes, Linux on the desktop is also a valid choice. It most likely won't track you either.

Re: Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to?

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post #24

I'm thinking of getting one of these: https://frame.work/ Any people here with experience with one?

this one looks terrific! I saw the review made by Linus : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rkTgPt3M4k - totally got me convinced. I left Apple to System76 2 years ago, but that'd likely be my choice if I'd be doing this today...

I was waiting to read a trustworthy review, so just watched the video. Glad to hear that it's pretty good. Build quality was what I was worried about but it sounds generally good.

My only other question is Linux driver support. There was a brief mention about fingerprint scanner in Linux, but I really appreciate that Thinkpads under something like Fedora just work out of the box. Hopefully Framework will have similar support - it seems like the sort of laptop linux hackers would like to be using!

Re: Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to?

#89

How are you finding Manjaro for dev work? I set up Ubuntu 18 on a desktop build last year, it's decent but it's still finicky to be my daily driver, so I still use my MBP for work. I think for a phone I may just drop back to a Nokia 3210 and buy a camera for family pictures. Whatsapp will be a loss, but hey, maybe it'll be nice to not have my phone as a distraction during the day.

It works well so far. Android Studio works just fine, and Emacs (doom-emacs in Evil mode) is obviously well supported in Linux. My professional development work still happens on a MacBook Pro, as my employer drives that choice.

Re: Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to?

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post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Incorrect. It will use a generic model to warn children that they could be exposed to nudity, but that runs on-device and sends nothing to Apple. (It's just a generic nudity detection model). On iOS and iPadOS, they will implement the iCloud Photos CSAM scanning, but Apple left out macOS as having that for now. Rumoredly according to GitHub reverse-engineers of the system, it's due to the mathematical precision of th…

From https://www.apple.com/child-safety/ : > These features are coming later this year in updates to iOS 15, iPadOS 15, watchOS 8, and macOS Monterey.

That's at the end of a summary of all 3 features. Each one has the specific OSs listed though:

> iOS and iPadOS will use new applications of cryptography to help limit the spread of CSAM online

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