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Re: Ask HN: Is working as a developer on technical route until retirement feasible?

#81

First, note you're likely to get some survivorship bias in these responses - older people who left the industry are less likely to comment on HN. That said, as a developer in their mid-40s, here's my take: 1. In general, mid-level engineering management jobs (which I consider Manager to Senior Director level) pay significantly more because they are shittier jobs . Sure, there is the rare soul that loves these kind of…

Your points just hit me directly. I consider myself pretty good with my problem solving skill and ability to learn. I feel like I am better as an IC than a manager. Yet, a few times, I got "convinced" into management role because whether manager left or they couldn't find people with enough knowledge for the position. I have always being able to say "nope". I've been working for 10 years, same big tech company but I…

It would be great if management would encourage this all up and down the chain including to IC's at the ends. There are many who would want to contribute but usually end the conversation on deaf ears. Or a management chain that is bias against the unknown. But lately, especially in this environment, profitability is speaking over innovation.

Re: Ask HN: Is working as a developer on technical route until retirement feasible?

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My aunt was a coder her career and retired a few years ago. She lives comfortably, travels and has plenty of retirement funds. I could never imagine her a manager, and I never heard her ever say she'[d] choose another path.

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Re: Ask HN: Is working as a developer on technical route until retirement feasible?

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57 and been writing software almost my entire career. Brief foray into mgmt, 15 years ago. Saw the error of my ways and went back to straight dev work. See no reason that will change.

So, yes. Just make sure companies you work for have a strong technical career track.

Re: Ask HN: Is working as a developer on technical route until retirement feasible?

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Worked for a long time as a developer and architect (where architect still codes, explores new tech, just thinks more about system issues). I won’t say how many years but let’s just say “many”.

You don’t need to be promoted out of your interest zone or past your competence level. I’d gently question the “everyone” in your stage, as there are fewer jobs available at those higher rungs.

Only regret is that I didn’t find an opportunity that let me retire at 30. I like making software and solving problems.

Re: Ask HN: Is working as a developer on technical route until retirement feasible?

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I worked with a guy in his 60s when I was in my 20s just starting out. He did good work and was a fine coworker. He also made the same amount as the guys who were senior engineers in their 30s. His salary growth basically plateaued in his 30s, after that it was just COL adjustments. He was perfectly fine with that though. He enjoyed being a coder, got paid enough to support his lifestyle, and liked that he got to shu…

I don’t know, I just cannot see myself not being rewarded with any kind of raise for the next 30 years as a good thing.

I think in this case you can’t plan on doing the same job for 30y, you’d do a lot of changing roles to keep those raises coming.

Re: Ask HN: Is working as a developer on technical route until retirement feasible?

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I'm either too old or too young for that reference.

Haha it's from the song Still D.R.E. where Dr Dre explains that he's still the same, fame and time haven't changed him. He hasn't gotten soft and decadent. He's still top of his game, still the same guy. "Still puffing my leafs, still fuck with the beats, still not loving police". "Still rock my khakis with a cuff and a crease". The sound of your comment came off the same way.

Ah. So I'm just too white for the reference :)

Re: Ask HN: Is working as a developer on technical route until retirement feasible?

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> When you are an individual contributor, your value is directly a result of the work you do, you don’t get “multiplication” factors by making other folks more productive. Software seems pretty good at multiplying the productivity of other people. It’s just less socially acceptable to take credit for that increase than it is in management.

Absolutely! Software is a huge multiplication factor. No argument there! However the point, which maybe I didn’t make clearly, is this: they expect a specific multiplication factor from a specific bit of code. This is the value X they hope to achieve by employing you. If you can do X in less time/lower overall cost then someone else, then that is worth paying more for. However, that X benefit they are seeking is rela…

I still don’t get why you think that the budget for sharing productivity gains is strictly more bounded for software engineers than managers.

I could flip your example around. McDonald’s hopes to achieve value X from each of their managers and that’s what their willing to pay. But a software engineer who can increase retention rates can noticeably increase the value of the whole company. And that’s part of why one gets paid more than the other.

Re: Ask HN: Is working as a developer on technical route until retirement feasible?

#88

How do your retirement accounts look? Are you the kind of person that always wants more money, or is that not a huge motivator? If you choose to stay on this path, you'll likely make less money later in life. Is that ok? You may also find yourself involuntarily pushed out. Is that ok? I'm in my early 40s, and think that the probability that my current dev job is the last one I'll have is around 75%. I'm ok with that…

This sounds nice. Since university is cost free where I live here I think I’ll want to earn enough to be able to buy (or at least help buy) apartment(s) for my future children.

Re: Ask HN: Is working as a developer on technical route until retirement feasible?

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Haha it's from the song Still D.R.E. where Dr Dre explains that he's still the same, fame and time haven't changed him. He hasn't gotten soft and decadent. He's still top of his game, still the same guy. "Still puffing my leafs, still fuck with the beats, still not loving police". "Still rock my khakis with a cuff and a crease". The sound of your comment came off the same way.

Ah. So I'm just too white for the reference :)

Rap in that era was made for white middleclass people, as it's they who could afford to buy the most CDs.

Re: Ask HN: Is working as a developer on technical route until retirement feasible?

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Heh. I don't know how old you are, but it's pretty typical in all careers. At some point you just hit the top of your skillset.

And to go above that? Grad school and Phd or just very specialized niche knowledge or moving into finance/quant jobs?

Sure, in many careers grad school/phd will help. Not in coding though - in coding, there's nothing grad school can teach you that you can't learn on your own. There are high school graduates who are absolutely top coders.
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