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Re: Ask HN: Has any progress been made on large format E-ink displays?

#81

Since the demise of Pixel Qi, does anyone else have a credible laptop screen based on e-ink, that has a high enough refresh rate to be usable, and/or the ability to switch from transflective/zero-power e-ink mode to a normal screen?

My (meanwhile modest) hopes are with clearink [1]. Let's hope they don't go full mirasol.

1: https://youtu.be/zjJ2-cdhwMQ

Re: Ask HN: Has any progress been made on large format E-ink displays?

#82

There is a need gap for 'Affordable E-Ink large external displays'[1]. Dasung, Onyx have been market leaders in this category and they are expensive. There are E-ink tablets from several other manufacturers as mentioned in other comments, but they rarely are external displays. Then there are reliability issues with cheap DIY E-Ink displays, they don't last long and especially when displaying low refresh rate data lik…

Not only are Onyx expensive; they're basically unusable. A rooted Kobo H2O with koreader in landscape mode is vastly better. Sony is apparently still selling the DPT-RP1, and it still doesn't connect to Linux or read DjVu. I guess at least it has an OSX client.

What do you mean? I have an Onyx BOOX MAX 2 PRO 13.3" and it works quite well. As a large-screen (close to A4) hi-res (2220×1650) e-reader it is very good, especially for scientific/technical papers. In addition to two-finger touch it has a very good Wacom digitizer with stylus. On the software side it has Android with Google Play and a lot of third-party apps work OK. Sideloading APKs is possible if e.g. you want to deploy your own apps. Where Onyx botched it is the external monitor feature: The device has an HDMI input port but the interface HW doesn't support the full physical resolution of the e-ink screen which is really annoying. But otherwise not a bad device at all - and most of what it leaves to be desired on the SW side can be corrected by installing suitable apps.

Re: Ask HN: Has any progress been made on large format E-ink displays?

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The technology is there, but E Ink (the company) is steadfastly refusing to lower prices because they believe there's a market for this. Now go to Alibaba and find that you can get a flexible, full-color OLED sheet for the same price as a given size E Ink panel. Go on eBay and buy an older NOOK device (they all ran Android) for $20, tape it to your wall, and point at your web page of choice.

A great example of patents strangling innovation. If anyone has more concrete details on the way this company is holding back this technology I’d love to read details. Thanks!

What makes you think it’s to do with patents? Maybe there’s just insufficient demand.

Re: Ask HN: Has any progress been made on large format E-ink displays?

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32" e-ink panels exist but are still too expensive to be practical for home use: https://shopkits.eink.com/product/31-2˝-monochrome-epaper-di... The only commercial product I know of that uses it is from Visionect but it's a meant for digital signage rather than as a computer display: https://www.visionect.com/product/place-and-play-32/ . It's less expensive than their earlier system but still around $2500.

Not just 32”, Eink sell a 42” monochrome panel[1] and a 32” colour panel[2] too.

[1] https://shopkits.eink.com/product/42%cb%9d-monochrome-epaper...

[2] https://shopkits.eink.com/product/31-2%cb%9d-color-epaper-di...

Re: Ask HN: Has any progress been made on large format E-ink displays?

#86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A great example of patents strangling innovation. If anyone has more concrete details on the way this company is holding back this technology I’d love to read details. Thanks!

What makes you think it’s to do with patents? Maybe there’s just insufficient demand.

There is insufficient demand for high priced e-ink screens. Which probably comes down to supply, which probably comes down to patents

Re: Ask HN: Has any progress been made on large format E-ink displays?

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If you're interesting in building your own you can get a 12" one from waveshare: https://www.waveshare.com/product/displays/e-paper/12.48inch... This is the black/white one, they do a black/white/red one too. But beware, they take really long to refresh (the red color takes several refreshes to appear). And the one with red is on backorder till June. It can be powered by a raspberry pi (or ESP32 or Arduino) and is (m…

I did some experiment with the bare version of this display, both with the b/w and the b/w/r displays. The black and white one can be partially updated (window mode) and is a bit faster. The four sections mentioned above don't have exactly the same size: two sections have slightly fewer pixels in width. I used a STM32 controller which came with the display; it had just enough memory to fit a whole image. It was interesting to write some 'generative' code for it...

https://www.instagram.com/p/B6-h1TSBG6x/

https://www.instagram.com/p/B3o6RirB5iU/

Re: Ask HN: Has any progress been made on large format E-ink displays?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can anyone comment on the difficulty (for a hacker) of using Remarkable with Kindle books? I have a Kindle already, if that makes a difference in generating DRM-free files of content I already purchased reading rights to.

I have never been able to get EPUBs to reliably work on remarkable. My solution is to convert them to PDFs.

I use them all the time. Never had any issue.

Re: Ask HN: Has any progress been made on large format E-ink displays?

#89
In Shanghai they are used as timetables at bus stops. Almost A2 size in some stops and smaller ones, about A4 (vertical) at others... The small ones had a clock which updated every minute (windowed mode) while the passenger data updated in longer intervals, probably hourly.

Re: Ask HN: Has any progress been made on large format E-ink displays?

#90
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Have you looked at https://remarkable.com/ ? It's a little smaller, 12" diagonal. Dasung sells a 13.3" e-ink monitor: https://www.amazon.com/Dasung-Paperlike-13-3-E-Ink-Monitor/d...

I would buy the reMarkable in a heartbeat if it was indeed a 12" display. Alas, the screen is only 10.3".
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