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Re: Ask HN: Should I find a job or try to build a profitable project?

#81
I live in NYC now. If I were you, I'd look for jobs now. Get one lined up or just have a good idea of what it takes to get one. Go for a corporate IT job that is 6 figs and an easy 9-5. Then I'd ask to postpone it, go on a relaxing trip with or without your gf for 1-3 months. Think about life.

Get back, move into a cheap shared studio or 1br with your gf. Work on your stuff after 5:30 and still bank money, and still live in the city. Boom.

Re: Ask HN: Should I find a job or try to build a profitable project?

#82
post #63

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I live in a dirt-cheap country and I find it hard to believe that you can survive on $400/month. Do you take a trip back home? Do you factor in the price of your laptop/phone? Does this include clothes/medical expenses? Also, what country are you living in?

I don't take trips back home, I don't have a phone, I don't have health insurance, I have one pair of clothes and gym clothes. I have an 10 year old x200 ThinkPad that cost $90. It's very fast, I use Arch Linux+Libreboot+Vim. I've live in Ukraine, Moldova, Macedonia, Romania and Serbia. Normally I stay in Ukraine or Moldova though. My expenses are between $150-250 for housing (I live in youth hostels or Airbnb, I tra…

Very cool. What kind of work do you do? Also, do you speak Russian or just basic Russian to barely get by?

Re: Ask HN: Should I find a job or try to build a profitable project?

#83

Similar boat to you. Had the exact same question in my life. I decided for a totally different option, lets call it option #4: #4 Take an "easy" programming job and use your spare time on nights/weekends to build a software business. I chose this option because I wasn't willing to risk my savings. Plain and simple. I want to retire some day, and blowing 60k for a ~5% chance at making a profitable business wasn't wort…

While I am on the same boat, there is definitely a caveat that you should aware.

Those "easy" job you think might actually be hard, because of politics/bad managements/weird policies etc. And even if you're lucky enough to get a relaxing job, the differences between those 2 jobs might damage your mindset/thinking/focus.

Re: Ask HN: Should I find a job or try to build a profitable project?

#84
post #71

Take that 60K, go travel the world, it will go a long long way if you are thrifty about it. See how you feel about your project when you come back or work on it while traveling. Bet you will feel different whether your projects survives or not. Ignore all this you need to buy a house garbage, do you want to spend your life investing for your retirement, for when your dick wont work or live now, that is the question.…

This comment resonates with me. Is there a good resource for packing up your life and traveling for a while? Background: I have a great and interesting remote job but the workload is high relative to the salary. I have 1 years salary saved. I could ask for a raise, but I would much rather spend a year traveling and improving myself.

Any specific questions? My email is in my profile if you prefer thst.

I'm currently on a five month break with my wife. The first two months were in an apartment in the south of France, currently hiking though Loch Lomond and then a couple months in Edinburgh.

It's pretty good! Probably shouldn't have waited 10 years to do this.

Re: Ask HN: Should I find a job or try to build a profitable project?

#85

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Yea, I'm not sure they are great ideas. My reasoning for the productivity app is because I want to build something I personally need and I haven't found a good solution. The yelp-like app is because I know I want to work with small businesses. I just don't know exactly how yet. So, you're right. I need to spend more time on my ideas. Thanks!

I was convinced I should build a productivity app because none of the existing apps suited me. Turns out I was an unorganised person blaming their tools. I went low tech and organised myself by writing into Bear.app, which made me realise I didn’t want to make a productivity app I just wanted to be organised.

Thanks for this insight. There is a chance I'm in this boat. I'll have to think on this.

Re: Ask HN: Should I find a job or try to build a profitable project?

#86
post #73

I wouldn't make any decisions while burnt out. Take some time and recover. Then I think you need to think about where you want to go in your career. Do you enjoy development and want to do nothing else? Don't start a business, because you'll end up doing a lot of other things. Are you interested in the control and passionate about your solution of your own business? Then start a company. Note that there's many other…

Any links or resources on getting started as a contractor/consultant?

Re: Ask HN: Should I find a job or try to build a profitable project?

#87

Take that 60K, go travel the world, it will go a long long way if you are thrifty about it. See how you feel about your project when you come back or work on it while traveling. Bet you will feel different whether your projects survives or not. Ignore all this you need to buy a house garbage, do you want to spend your life investing for your retirement, for when your dick wont work or live now, that is the question.…

This sounds like what Phil Knight did in Shoe Dogs...haha. This is good advice. I have traveled to Iceland, China, and I'm going to Europe this summer. Granted those were more like vacations than long term travel. Thanks for the exception comment, I know this statistically, but I also know I'm so far behind some people on HN, /r/personalfinance, and indie hackers. I know, I know... Comparison is the thief of joy. I'm living, I guess I just want more. I want to work on something I'm truly passionate about and be great.

Re: Ask HN: Should I find a job or try to build a profitable project?

#88

Let me add a complication. You are at an age where most people have kids. Personally I've choose not to and went very careful to successfully not marry nor have kids, so... just saying you should calculate how that will/will-not compute into your plan.

Not planning on having kids for the time being

Re: Ask HN: Should I find a job or try to build a profitable project?

#89
post #78

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Building a proof of concept is an incredibly expensive way to figure out what clients want. And many times you find out you're so far off that none of the project is reusable. Also plenty of clients will take meeting without an proof of concept. And this is especially true when you have a really good idea.

What is the better way to figure out what clients want? Conversations?

Yeah it takes a lot less time to have a conversation than to build an app.

Makings the cold calls and cold emails felt a lot easier with an app built but at least in my experience didn't make a big difference in response rate.

Re: Ask HN: Should I find a job or try to build a profitable project?

#90
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Building a proof of concept is an incredibly expensive way to figure out what clients want. And many times you find out you're so far off that none of the project is reusable. Also plenty of clients will take meeting without an proof of concept. And this is especially true when you have a really good idea.

I've found the opposite to be true -- easier to get a meeting if you have something to show even with a mediocre idea.

In my experience it didn't make a huge difference. More than half the time the individual didn't even want to see it. Just wanted to talk about how it would improve their business.
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