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Ask HN: Is it normal to fall out of love with coding?

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Re: Ask HN: Is it normal to fall out of love with coding?

#81
I've been programming since I was 8. It has always been to me what gaming seems to be to a lot of people.

It's always been a means to exercise my brain and solve interesting problems. An escape from the mundane triviality of life.

I've never been in love with programming just to program. I've always been in love with that "Oh! I get it!" moment when you finally figure something out. The next piece of the puzzle. Forever working towards the big boss of the next level - delivery.

Gaming never held my attention. Programming for me seems to be a never ending journey of discovery, forever chasing that moment of realization. Programming is just a means of expressing my solutions in one of a handful of languages I speak. It just so happens that the languages are technical rather than verbal.

Did you fall out of love with language or did you fall out of love with solving problems? "Solutioning" as you put it isn't any different than programming - you just feel like you need to express your solutions in a different form... a new language. Perhaps it's at a higher level now rather than being stuck in the details.

Re: Ask HN: Is it normal to fall out of love with coding?

#82
I haven't fallen out of love of coding. Instead I fell in love with buying real estate and renovating and earning $$$ passive income from rents. And I fucking loved coding and good at it.

After building wealth and now living abroad.... now I'm in love with having attractive young women compete for my attention.

Tastes change. What matters is that you are happy and your Net Worth is going up consistently and you defining and aiming for goals.

Re: Ask HN: Is it normal to fall out of love with coding?

#83
Sometimes when I"m feeling burnout, I realize I'm actually falling out of love with coding for other people, and for projects I'm not passionate about.

I recently picked up a side project that I've fallen in love with, and can't wait to get off work to start working on my passion project.

One difference I've noticed is that I'm not learning new things with my side project (something I'm traditionally excited about); I'm using what I already know to build something great.

In this project "coding" isn't the end, it's the means to the end I really want- and therefore it's not even about the coding, it's about the project.

Re: Ask HN: Is it normal to fall out of love with coding?

#84
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Anything you do for work eventually wears out and becomes "just work". That's why it's called "work". Hobby coders can escape into the unrestricted world of building stuff without limits to satisfy their imagination and curiosity. They can also change hobbies and increase or decrease the amount of time they want to spend on coding to stay in the sweet zone. Paid coders can only carve out little, temporary nooks of fr…

Just to offer a different perspective, there are some cultures I have observed which treat spending one’s life honing their occupation to perfection as highly valuable. The Japanese and sword making is one example that springs to mind.

In that context, I wonder if they too “wear out” or if they find a way/reason to enjoy it constantly, such as their concept of “ikigai” [1].

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikigai

Re: Ask HN: Is it normal to fall out of love with coding?

#85
First check if its one of these things. (a) Did you always want to start a company, and has the success of acqui-hire made you feel accomplished and thus burnt out motivation to code? (b) Is this your first experience with customers and are you smitten by the novelty of it?

I ask this because I had something relatable but wrt education. For three years, aged 16 to 18, I was deep into science and maths as I wanted to get into mechanical engineering at a good college, and these subjects were the key. I did quite well in the entrance exam and achieved what I aspired for. I was excited and did really well the first semester. Then, per chance, I visited the city library, for the first time, and saw a big hall full of books of all kinds on liberal arts topics. Having been immersed in STEM topics for so long, I was instantly taken in by its charm. I had never seen anything like that before and I indulged in it full time. I lost all interest in my engineering for the next few years, and my grades took a nose dive, but I did come to my senses and recover eventually. After I joined the software industry I had occasional flings of this kind with other topics but my past experience made me more prudent in dealing with them. I take that as a great life lesson.

Re: Ask HN: Is it normal to fall out of love with coding?

#86
Once I too felt like that.

Maybe you're just into something different. That's ok.

But maybe you're like me: For my case, it turned out that I was just bored of doing what I'd been doing. I changed my direction and left full-stack development. I started studying machine learning (and lots of other stuff because of it), bought some in-depth books about programming and started reading them. I finally understood the importance of Lisps (yes, the weird syntax has a really good purpose) and started learning Clojure. I'm constantly trying to improve my -functional- programming skills. It feels ok now, I feel like I've found a new path to follow, and see the room for improvement.

Re: Ask HN: Is it normal to fall out of love with coding?

#87
I like doing both more than I like either one on it's own. Coding in a bubble and discussing through mediators are both sub-optimal and they take away the best part of being a programmer, seeing the user/customer reaction when they get exactly what they wanted from something you built.

Re: Ask HN: Is it normal to fall out of love with coding?

#88
Yes. When you start out, everything is new and the possibilities seem endless. Whether you're starting your own projects or joining other people's, learning about each new domain or style of programming is exciting. But once you move from exploring to building, it gets to be a lot less fun. It's like the difference between being a tourist in a foreign city vs. getting a job there. You start to notice the poor quality of almost everything around you. Making it better is hard work, and only gets harder as you progress further.

Worst of all, once you've gotten a thing to whatever you consider to be a good state, you're faced with a choice. Moving to a new project/domain might help to regain that feeling of wonder ... until you realize it has problems too and you'll be back to digging ditches in a new field. It also means leaving behind some of your accumulated expertise, which affects both comfort and career prospects. So many people decide to stick with what they're doing even though they're no longer passionate about it, and that's draining in its own way.

I don't think there's any one solution. Some people are quite happy endlessly polishing the same apple. Some people are happy flitting about. Some people are in between, working primarily in one area but taking periodic excursions into others. The key, I think, is to recognize which is true for you and consciously strategize about if/when to change projects to maximize your own happiness.

Re: Ask HN: Is it normal to fall out of love with coding?

#89
I started coding for fun while an undergraduate in the late 60's and spent much of my time coding until I recently retired, except for one year when I dedicated my time to directing a project that led to a major system for the company. Most of that time was as a researcher and I had the freedom to use whatever language seemed appropriate. The list grew to dozens (anyone remember Bliss, Metafont, SAIL or the great SIGMA assembler?), finally ending up in Python within Hadoop. Since retirement I've time with J after spending a year or two with APL in the 70's.

I find I'm losing the absolute need to code, but I can't think of anything else that could have offered me the variety, depth and engagement (not to mention a reasonable salary) that coding has over the last 50 years.

Re: Ask HN: Is it normal to fall out of love with coding?

#90
Depends on the coding task.

"Here, make minor tweaks to our established codebase, for stability or for minor enhancement X, our working practices are set in stone, our coding style is ancient and you will have no creative control or input"

Yeah, that's boring, however much you love code.

"Here, we've got some ideas, but they needs to be transformed into a product. You'll be part of a small team making the important decisions and figuring out the best way to take this forward, technology decisions, working practices etc are all up for definition and change, have at it"

This is far more interesting.

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