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Ask HN: First month job anxiety. Am I actually an impostor?

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Re: Ask HN: First month job anxiety. Am I actually an impostor?

#81

I joined a large company last year after years of freelancing and found immediately that one of the skill sets which I had to develop was my ability to talk about technical details. When freelancing I would often be the only person on the project - I would have to talk to clients about the interface and the behaviour, but never about the details. Additionally the way I organize my thoughts about technical things does…

Thank you for putting into words what I experienced with my past job. In just every single previous job, I was either the lone coder (small companies or startups) or mostly expected to figure things out on my own and didn't have to discuss architectural decisions or issues I was having too often. But in my most recent job, I suddenly had to start explaining things in detailed and technical terms multiple times a day…

I'm curious: Did those verbally talented people also produce complex working code?

My experience is that people who sound impressive and accurate rarely do.

Re: Ask HN: First month job anxiety. Am I actually an impostor?

#82
Once i was at the same place. When i fixed my health issues (which i was unware of), i made good progress with my team. Let me skip the job part.

I didn't even know that i could feel better than what i was feeling at that time. How do you know that you've got an issue when you don't know that something better exists.

How is your health? Do you get sufficient sunlight (vitamin D?

How much body fat % do you've? What's your BMI?

Sometimes anexity is a singnal of something wrong going with our health.

About the job, if you've skills and you are healthy and motivated, you'll do a good job. No need to stress yourself.

If your performance is not optimum for the job you got, don't try too hard, you'll burn out. Be mindful, plan things and see where they take you. Maybe they'll fire you one day then you'll end up in other company.

Once i was at the same place. Once i fixed my health issues (which i was unware of), i made good progress with my team.

Re: Ask HN: First month job anxiety. Am I actually an impostor?

#83
Don't stress it too much. Any high level job at a big company: unless you've got a concrete project assigned to you, the first couple of months are going to be eating out of your nose. As long as you don't stand in the way, nobody cares. They all had to go through the same phase, so no one thinks you are slacking unless it goes on for years.

Go to all the meetings you are invited to, help where you can and all will be OK.

As for reaching out to people: learn (project) management/ communication/leadership skills. There are a lot of good resources on amazon about this (research yourself what you actually need). You probably can talk to your boss about this, he then will feel happy he can help you with something and give you tips and explain about the culture etc.

Best of luck and as I said, don't worry too much: if the culture is a fit you will be fine.

Re: Ask HN: First month job anxiety. Am I actually an impostor?

#84

Relax. People seem to have this idea that you can jump into an existing team and start making big impacts on an established product with no ramp up time. It takes time to understand something, and much woe and misery arises if you start tilting at Chestertons fences out of the gate. Developing a feel for the interpersonal dynamics of a team is also not something that comes about instantly by osmosis. I'd try to get a…

this exactly.

Re: Ask HN: First month job anxiety. Am I actually an impostor?

#85
Lots of good advice here. I'll make some assumptions, such as that you were doing well as a contractor. And that generally means you've adapted some form of The "Feynman Algorithm":

1. Write down the problem.

2. Think real hard.

3. Write down the solution.

Crucially, you've had an approach to point 0 (only implied above) - figure out what the problem is. What is the domain? What is the data like? What does the problem suggest for transforming the data? About transforming the data model so the hard problem become easy?

As a contractor, you'd probably work on point zero with your client - and as the relationship would typically be new, both of you knew this part was essential. What does the client (want to) do? How can you help enable that?

Now, you need to figure out point zero again, in the context of a large organization: large new code base, large new domain(s), large new company culture.

Ask your manager or Co worker for a mentor. Pair program. Read code, read commits from your co-workers. Try to understand the data model(s). Read bug reports.

All those things should help with point zero (let's call it context). Now you should be ready to apply the "algorithm" ;)

[ed: and yes, learning/internalizing enough context to be useful takes time!]

Re: Ask HN: First month job anxiety. Am I actually an impostor?

#86

I've noticed a pattern: the people that look "on point" are often clueless, and the ones that look muddled are often heading in the right direction. It has taken twenty years, and several careers, for me to work this out though. Try to find someone you can talk to, and work with, that doesn't make you feel stupid. You seem to be focusing too much on the "I": it makes a huge difference the relationships you form. Huge…

So true. Reality is very complex and usually it's a very fine line between the best approach and the second best approach; there are a lot of factors to consider. If someone is overly confident about going in a particular direction, it often means that they haven't thought about it enough.

That said there is a big difference between being confident in your abilities and being confident in your arguments.

Re: Ask HN: First month job anxiety. Am I actually an impostor?

#87
First of all you made it! You are in the top 1% or so of people who apply to be hired at these places. I remember some stat that tens maybe a hundred thousand people apply to google a year and only a select few make it on. Don’t be ashamed! Be proud. You have nothing left to prove just do your work. All the gladiator level proving has been done by your interview and your previous body of work. It’s a huge accomplishment.

Do you have a mentor? Someone you admire with decent people skills that can help you learn the soft skills to help you both accel but also assuage your concerns? I’d look for someone like that because they might have gone through the very same thing you did. Or they might know of someone with a similar personality type and know how to help you.

Just be happy and confident. Again you made it. Someone thought you were good enough to join the team. Be patient but also find ways to insert yourself into cool or interesting projects so that you both get exposed to the business but also show initiative and maybe put your name on some cool projects.

Re: Ask HN: First month job anxiety. Am I actually an impostor?

#88
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Well, if it makes you feel any better: I’ve been doing this for 25 years, and I still feel like the expectations placed on me are far above my capabilities - but they’re also far above the capabilities of anybody I’ve ever worked with. They’ll always try to demand more out of you than you or anybody else can possibly deliver, and be genuinely disappointed when you can’t work miracles all day, every day. Just do the b…

Thank you for posting this. Sometimes it feels like those demanding results expect someone who can create a world overnight or spin gold out of air. It's easy to acknowledge that at some level all professional relationships are adversarial, but when talking to others, there is sometimes the incredulous sense that as co-workers you should make every effort to collaborate and speak as honestly as possible to maximise t…

Obviously they would always prefer you to spin gold out of air, but I’ve found that most are perfectly happy if you find a way to turn lead into gold too.

Re: Ask HN: First month job anxiety. Am I actually an impostor?

#90
Wow, I could have written this entire thing myself—except change "first month" to "first year"! One thing I need to work on is asking more questions. I often wait until I've tried to figure something out for an entire day before reaching out, so that hesitation can be a huge productivity hit that also comes with those guilty, shamey feelings.

It's nice to know I'm not alone, and that there are ways to cope with this that have worked for others. Thanks for posting!

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