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Re: Ask HN: What info do you wish every job posting included?

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Post by i_dont_know_ »

majewsky wrote: post #79
i_dont_know_ wrote: post #68

A link to the whole HR manual. Some places have insanely condescending HR policies (requiring doctor's notes to 'count as sick', or strict hours for a job that could be done remotely, strict dress codes, weird rules about lunch etc). Usually HR policies are treated as a second thought and presented to you after you've accepted employment, but these details will impact you and your quality-of-work. For instance, place…

> places that require doctor's notes will have people come in to work while sick more frequently Huh? When I'm sick, I automatically go to the doctor, so I always have a doctor's note.

Really? You wake up with a stuffed nose and immediately rush to the doctor's office? I don't. If it feels like a cold or flu (the most frequent sicknesses at work), I'll just rest at home for a few days and I'm better. This is what most people do with colds; a doctor's not needed, and if you do contact a doctor with cold symptoms, they'll tell you to stay home and rest. What's more, I don't get my coworkers sick if I'm staying at home resting.

If, on the other hand, I work somewhere that has a 'doctor's note' policy, I'll probably convince myself the cold is 'not that bad' (certainly not worth losing pay or whatever the HR penalty is for not having a doctor's note), come in to work and get coworkers sick. Others do the same. Over time, this adds up. I've worked at places that strictly enforce 'doctor's note' policies and basically it means everyone has colds all the time, and if you work there, so will you.

I would like to know this about a work environment before I join.

Re: Ask HN: What info do you wish every job posting included?

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Post by hiyer »

misja111 wrote: post #38
mindcrime wrote: post #14

Salary range, description of office environment (and/or actual pictures), remote work policy, expected hours, dress code, tech stack details, some details on what the project actually is , and a quick "Joel test" like summary of the current development practices. Also, a note indicating whether or not managers refer to people as "resources". Also, the name of the actual development methodology (if any) that is in use…

+1 for salary range. It's bizar that some companies require you to first go through the entire interview process and only do the salary negotation at the end. At which point you might find out that there never was a possibility for a match and you both have wasted your time.

That's pretty much the norm in India.

Re: Ask HN: What info do you wish every job posting included?

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Post by majewsky »

i_dont_know_ wrote: post #81
majewsky wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> places that require doctor's notes will have people come in to work while sick more frequently Huh? When I'm sick, I automatically go to the doctor, so I always have a doctor's note.

Really? You wake up with a stuffed nose and immediately rush to the doctor's office? I don't. If it feels like a cold or flu (the most frequent sicknesses at work), I'll just rest at home for a few days and I'm better. This is what most people do with colds; a doctor's not needed, and if you do contact a doctor with cold symptoms, they'll tell you to stay home and rest. What's more, I don't get my coworkers sick if I…

> You wake up with a stuffed nose and immediately rush to the doctor's office?

So that may be the difference here, because I have a septum deviation, which means that my nose is permanently somewhat stuffed. But when I have temperature and feel sick, I absolutely go to the doctor every time. There's a few things that a doctor can do and I can't that can distinguish between "just a cold" and something more serious. For example, I cannot look into my own throat or into my own ears.

Your other comments indicate to me that this may be a cultural difference though. In Germany, it's normal to ask a coworker who appears to be sick to go to the doctor. Everywhere I've worked so far, there's a shared awareness that working while sick is a huge cost on the entire team. That goes for managers, too: They know that when e.g. a workplace accident happens and the person causing it was sick, the insurances are going to be asking a lot of uncomfortable questions.

Re: Ask HN: What info do you wish every job posting included?

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Post by oceanghost »

mindcrime wrote: post #47
misja111 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

+1 for salary range. It's bizar that some companies require you to first go through the entire interview process and only do the salary negotation at the end. At which point you might find out that there never was a possibility for a match and you both have wasted your time.

At which point you might find out that there never was a possibility for a match and you both have wasted your time. Exactly. It's ridiculous to do that. What's arguably even worse is when you know that the company knows what your salary expectations are ahead of time, and they still go through the entire process, and then at the end either come up with an offer that's way below your bar, or decline to make an offer…

I've turned down interviews from Lucas Arts, Dream Works and other companies for this reason. n n
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