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Ask HN: Why does everyone use a MacBook Pro despite saying they suck?

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Re: Ask HN: Why does everyone use a MacBook Pro despite saying they suck?

#81
1. Homebrew 2. iTerm 3. Cmd + R for recovery mode 4. A multi touch trackpad. Move quickly between workspaces. 5. Fast! I have 500GB with 16GB RAM. Yes its expensive for I get, but I had bad times relying on windows laptop. 6. Save and restore Application states after reboot! 7. VIM! I love vim. 8. Blend of linux and Xwindows.

This things are top of my list. I use windows PC just for gaming. :)

Re: Ask HN: Why does everyone use a MacBook Pro despite saying they suck?

#82

Because, like monarchy, they are still the least worst option when considering both the OS and hardware combined, for most people. The issues with the latest macbooks are real and severe, but running windows or linux, even on nice hardware like an X1, remains a sufficiently annoying and disruptive change to stop people. We can all hope that eventually this will change, but as of right now I don't see a forcing functi…

> Because, like monarchy, they are still the least worst option

Traditionally, that description is applied to democracy...

Re: Ask HN: Why does everyone use a MacBook Pro despite saying they suck?

#83

Because I got tired of the blue screens of death, and despite the MBP being way over priced it does one thing very well... it works 99% of the time. Plus it looks cool, if you care about that sort of thing.

The downvotes for you are puzzling. At work I compile a large project in VS2017 multiple times per day, and my machine will intermittently bluescreen during the compile. Happens to a number of my coworkers as well. W10 has come a long, long way since the unstable foundations of its forebears, but my personal experience with it still includes more crashes than I can write off as flaky hardware/drivers or mere chance.

Agreed, Windows 10 is still a mess. I have constant issues with stability.

My latest fun issue is that my gaming desktop won't install OS updates. It knows there are updates available, but when I tell it to install, the progress bar never progresses. I've tried restarting multiple times, but it makes no difference. I thought maybe I just needed to let it run for a while. It's been running for 3 days now, and the progress bar still hasn't moved.

I guess I'm probably going to have to either reformat the machine, or decide that I don't want OS updates any longer.

Re: Ask HN: Why does everyone use a MacBook Pro despite saying they suck?

#85
post #20

for me, it's because nothing matches MBPs trackpad. I never feel I need a mouse using a MBP, but on both Windows and Linux notebooks, I really need a mouse and sit down in front of a table to be productive.

I just recently started using Surface Book. The trackpad is as good as my old MBP.

Is it better on the Surface Book than a regular Surface with a touch cover? Because I have the latter, and it is not even in the same ballpark. I just plug a mouse in when I use my Surface.

Re: Ask HN: Why does everyone use a MacBook Pro despite saying they suck?

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post #56

Lenovo X1 Carbon user here. Never touched any Apple product in my entire life.

Another one here. Loved my Macbook Pro 2013, then the O/S turned to crap, gave it to my wife. Currently using a Carbon X1 and it's wonderful. Amazing battery life, Fedora 28, touchpad small but nipple is brilliant on the train when i'm cheek-to-jowl with the guy next to me who's also on a laptop. Wouldn't go back to a new Macbook, but I do miss the 2013 as it was delivered to me before the O/S was ruined.

Re: Ask HN: Why does everyone use a MacBook Pro despite saying they suck?

#88

Who says they suck? They very much DO NOT suck. Every time I use a PC laptop, I am reminded why I use Bootcamp or a VM for Windows on an MBP. However, I need a new laptop and I really don't want the Touch Bar MBPs. :( I don't know anyone that likes them.

> I don't know anyone that likes them.

Keep in mind that you're probably not hearing from folks who like them. I use one all day at work and like it fine, even though I like the keyboard of my 2013 MBP better.

Re: Ask HN: Why does everyone use a MacBook Pro despite saying they suck?

#89
I think a certain, very vocal group of people violently reacted to the 2016 re-design's keyboard and switch to USB-C. But I also think that most users are still pretty happy with their Macs most of the time - they just don't post blog posts about that.

I understand the complaints about keyboard failures due to dust getting under keys, but my personal experience with a 2016 model has been fine. I had to blow it out once with compressed air after 1.5 years and it worked again fine after that. It took two minutes and wasn't a big deal to me.

I don't understand the violent hate of the switch to USB-C. I find it super convenient that my phone (Samsung S8), laptop and Nintendo Switch all charge from the same power cable. And getting a couple of thin USB-C end-cap convertors on Amazon to plug in older USB devices cost me less than $10. It just hasn't been a negative at all for me.

Beyond that, Macs in general are a great compromise for developers who want to write code that runs primarily on Linux servers but who don't want to run Linux as a laptop OS (which can be a pain in the ass on laptops due to unpredictable battery drain, unreliable suspend/restore, no native support for software like Photoshop/Lightroom, less polished UI, whatever your reasons).

Windows has gotten a lot better in that regard, but a lot of Unix-native stuff still sucks to install and run on Windows. Docker on Windows is a dog, installing various native extensions for Python is a real pain in Windows, etc.

There's lots of little paper cuts using Windows in a Linux environment because Windows is just so different than Linux. For example, you can write and test a Docker file on a Windows machine that won't rebuild cleanly on a Linux server because on Windows you don't have to chmod +x your Docker entrypoint script, but on Linux the Docker image won't start after a rebuild because the entrypoint script will get installed with your local file permissions (which aren't set to +x by default). That's just one tiny example, but that's the kind of thing that illustrates why people building code primarily for for Linux servers might not prefer using Windows on their personal machine.

Re: Ask HN: Why does everyone use a MacBook Pro despite saying they suck?

#90
post #72

Why is there much more discussion about apple laptops than thinkpads? I feel linux on thinkpad would the most efficient combination for people who call themselves 'hackers'

Thinkpads are no longer the high quality machines they once were...

Apple should devote more effort to the MBP lineup (in particular a higher end machine with up to 64 GB of ECC RAM like Dell and HP offer), but the MBPs hit a sweet spot for development in many ways.

You can always run Linux in a VM if you really need to do something with Linux...

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