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Re: Ask HN: How much do developers earn in Europe?

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Post by ttam »

Mortiffer wrote: post #51
eoin_murphy wrote: post #24

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Please correct me if I'm wrong, but while salaries are high and taxes are relatively low, general living costs are quite high. Particularly if you have kids and so want a bigger house and good schools. I've looked at this and the benefits we get from staying in Germany outweigh the extra income earned.

Do your own cost of living estimate. Last year my Junior Software Developer (with ETH Masters) balance sheet looked as follows : Income:8650 Taxes :1640 (income, social etc. ) Food/Drink/Dates: 1560 HealthInsurrance : 346 Rent : 1640 (2 rooms 64sqm) downtown nice part of town Other : 400 So i end up saving 3k per month But i don't have kids that would be >2.5k per kind for daycare.

you only paid 1640 in taxes out of an 8650 income?! that's crazy!

even if we include the health insurance, it's still only 2k in taxes out of an 8650 income (less than 25%)

a lot of countries in europe will tax you 40% for that income...

Re: Ask HN: How much do developers earn in Europe?

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Post by thriftwy »

varjag wrote: post #60
thriftwy wrote: post #36

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Most of Russia's population also in Europe. What do you care about then? Exceptionalism?

Most of Russian population insists they want nothing to do with Europe or European values - all of them. Does landmass outweighs their opinion for you?

I must've missed that referendum you are quoting here?

Re: Ask HN: How much do developers earn in Europe?

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Post by apexalpha »

ttam wrote: post #81
Mortiffer wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do your own cost of living estimate. Last year my Junior Software Developer (with ETH Masters) balance sheet looked as follows : Income:8650 Taxes :1640 (income, social etc. ) Food/Drink/Dates: 1560 HealthInsurrance : 346 Rent : 1640 (2 rooms 64sqm) downtown nice part of town Other : 400 So i end up saving 3k per month But i don't have kids that would be >2.5k per kind for daycare.

you only paid 1640 in taxes out of an 8650 income?! that's crazy! even if we include the health insurance, it's still only 2k in taxes out of an 8650 income (less than 25%) a lot of countries in europe will tax you 40% for that income...

Usually European taxes are complicated. I make 44k a year but I get about 33k on my bank account each year. This is because even though we have a 33% and 40% rate there are also numerous tax-cuts in place.

Ie: in NL you can deduct your entire mortgage rate interest from your gross income. This basically means you get a 40% discount on your mortgage. And there are numerous more.

Re: Ask HN: How much do developers earn in Europe?

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Post by varjag »

gambiting wrote: post #63
varjag wrote: post #61

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It does not belong to Asia either. Russians distance themselves from the both insisting on their own, superior God chosen ways.

What Russians think is irrelevant - their country lies across both Europe and Asia, so if we want to get an overview of "European" workers, then yes, Russians do absolutely count.

So you insist Russians left of Urals are European, and right of it are Asian?

Re: Ask HN: How much do developers earn in Europe?

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Post by gambiting »

varjag wrote: post #88
gambiting wrote: post #63

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What Russians think is irrelevant - their country lies across both Europe and Asia, so if we want to get an overview of "European" workers, then yes, Russians do absolutely count.

So you insist Russians left of Urals are European, and right of it are Asian?

What else could they be? Martians?

They can even call themselves Australian if they want to, but it doesn't change the fact that anything West of Urals is continental Europe. Moscow, most importantly, is a European city, regardless of how Russians feel about such description.

Re: Ask HN: How much do developers earn in Europe?

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Post by varjag »

gambiting wrote: post #89
varjag wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you insist Russians left of Urals are European, and right of it are Asian?

What else could they be? Martians? They can even call themselves Australian if they want to, but it doesn't change the fact that anything West of Urals is continental Europe. Moscow, most importantly, is a European city, regardless of how Russians feel about such description.

Which brings us to my original point again: noone cares where the landmass is.

Russia does not identify with Europe by choice. On Russian TV there is nothing but mocking Europe and all it stands for; majority of Russians poll as actively hostile to Europe. Russians can't freely travel across Europe (nor can Europeans to Russia). Russia conducts military exercises simulating attacks on European capitals, and actively works to undermine and disintegrate European institutions.

Why do you people insist Russia has to be on the list is beyond me.

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