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Ask HN: Which open source projects have kind, supportive, talented teams?

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Re: Ask HN: Which open source projects have kind, supportive, talented teams?

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Post by GFK_of_xmaspast »

tossaway99999 wrote: post #42
walrus wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree 100%. The Rust community is excellent.

In my experience the Rust community exhibits a cloaked form of tyranny. On the surface they are very vocal about supporting 'inclusiveness' and 'non-discrimination' and 'tolerance'. Yet they use a rather harsh and subjective code of conduct to control and police the members of their community. Last I knew they even had a moderation team who doled out punishment without any due process nor any oversight of significanc…

I don't know the first thing about the Rust community and have no intention of ever writing a line of code in the language, but reading your post I'm reasonably sure you're in the wrong, whatever the situation was.

Re: Ask HN: Which open source projects have kind, supportive, talented teams?

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Post by PuffinBlue »

Hugo[1,2] is pretty nice. Very responsive team too.

I like the discuss forum[3] they have, it's not particularly high volume and people are pretty good to each other.

[1] http://gohugo.io/

[2] https://github.com/spf13/hugo

[3] https://discuss.gohugo.io/

Re: Ask HN: Which open source projects have kind, supportive, talented teams?

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Post by SwellJoe »

snowwrestler wrote: post #61
SwellJoe wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a counter-point: I've found it impossible to penetrate the Drupal community. I have filed several tickets over the years, including patches, which have often gone entirely without comment for sometimes months. Including a bug report and patch against a core include file. IRC is sometimes helpful, but usually not. In my experience, it's just really hard to get any questions answered or bugs fixed in Drupal.

How recently was that? They made a big public effort during the Drupal 8 project to become more open, welcoming, and responsive, and it would interesting to know if that made a difference.

My most recent interaction with the Drupal community was today. I finally got a response on a couple of patches I submitted a few weeks ago (one committed, one got useful feedback, which is great!), and I followed up on a patch that I'd contributed that someone else used and found to resolve their problem (but still has no response from the maintainer, after a few weeks), and checked on that core include patch, which has no reply, even though I submitted a patch against D8 in hopes of getting a reply (I figured maybe all the core people were bored of Drupal 6 and Drupal 7).

So, no. The recent push hasn't changed much in my experience. It could just be bad luck, and my own inability to spend more time on the problem of introducing myself or being involved. Drupal will never be my core job or something I can spend significant time on. But, I've never had such a hard time getting feedback on patches before, with any still active project I can think of, and I've been submitting little patches and making bug reports against OSS projects for a long time.

If Drupal has a welcoming and helpful community I've had trouble finding where they hang out. It is definitely not in their issue tracker.

Re: Ask HN: Which open source projects have kind, supportive, talented teams?

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Post by Manishearth »

tossaway99999 wrote: post #42
walrus wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree 100%. The Rust community is excellent.

In my experience the Rust community exhibits a cloaked form of tyranny. On the surface they are very vocal about supporting 'inclusiveness' and 'non-discrimination' and 'tolerance'. Yet they use a rather harsh and subjective code of conduct to control and police the members of their community. Last I knew they even had a moderation team who doled out punishment without any due process nor any oversight of significanc…

> Last I knew they even had a moderation team who doled out punishment without any due process nor any oversight of significance.

Member of said moderation team (and partially behind its design)

We have due process. See https://github.com/rust-lang/rfcs/blob/master/text/1068-rust...

Yes, the code of conduct is a bit subjective. That is why there is an entire moderation team, as well as core team oversight. I don't find anything harsh in the code of conduct, though. Anything specific you'd like to point out?

Enforcement will mostly be done only in blatantly obvious cases anyway.

Re: Ask HN: Which open source projects have kind, supportive, talented teams?

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Post by Manishearth »

sanderjd wrote: post #78
segmondy wrote: post #36

The open source project that needs you are the very ones that are unkind, not supportive with less talented teams. Someone needs to join them and lead, to show kindness, to teach how to be supportive of newbies, and to bring talent.

That sounds nice, but in practice it is likely to be an exercise in futility and frustration.

Agree to some extent, but it depends on the team though.

From what I've seen there are many projects that aren't kind, but they aren't too unkind either. Or if they are unkind, it's not by conscious choice -- just what happens when you get people coming from other unkind projects. Not people who want the project to be unkind, mind you, just people who are used to that and okay with it.

Such projects can benefit a lot from a few empathetic community members.

Re: Ask HN: Which open source projects have kind, supportive, talented teams?

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Post by chx »

SwellJoe wrote: post #84
snowwrestler wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How recently was that? They made a big public effort during the Drupal 8 project to become more open, welcoming, and responsive, and it would interesting to know if that made a difference.

My most recent interaction with the Drupal community was today. I finally got a response on a couple of patches I submitted a few weeks ago (one committed, one got useful feedback, which is great!), and I followed up on a patch that I'd contributed that someone else used and found to resolve their problem (but still has no response from the maintainer, after a few weeks), and checked on that core include patch, which…

I am sorry. The issue tracker is a really vast place and it is indeed not the best place to start. I would recommend https://www.drupal.org/core-office-hours for example. However: right now is perhaps not the best time, we just had Drupal 8 out and everyone is resting. And there's Thanksgiving and then Christmas upcoming. I am in #drupal-migrate on freenode, however , very very often and looking for contributors to that effort :) #drupal-contribute is a good place too, it might look quiet now but try saying the magic words "I am new here and I'd like to contribute". Sooner or later (again, it's thanksgiving weekend) those words will conjure a welcoming guide :)
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