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Re: Ask HN: Which abandoned proprietary software would you resurrect?

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Firefox, Thunderbird (and their spin offs) were all considered serious desktop apps. They all were written with XPFE/XULRunner.

They didn't advertise that much, though. I only learned about XULRunner when I was trying out a keyboard-driven browser (Conkeror). Unlike Electron, XUL wasn't promoted.

And that is the main reason, IMO. Mozilla Inc. never wanted to do more with it.

Re: Ask HN: Which abandoned proprietary software would you resurrect?

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Jasc Paint Shop Pro - before Corel picked them up and gave the software a horrible identity crisis. It had all the right features for graphics editing targeted at the web. Mixing vector layers with raster layers, both fully featured, is still something many modern programs either don't have, or half-ass. And it was dirt cheap, compared to the competition.

Yeah, still using PSP5 and 9 here

Re: Ask HN: Which abandoned proprietary software would you resurrect?

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Wordperfect. The speed of working with it was unparalleled, even compared to current Word. The 'reveal codes' or 'underwater' key was the superfast option to fix layout problems (who hasn't wrestled with tabs and indenting in Word), and it even worked on very large documents. Would pay for it.

Re: Ask HN: Which abandoned proprietary software would you resurrect?

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Norton Commander. https://bit.ly/2SBnriS Nothing since has ever made me feel so in control of my file system. There have been a few clones, but never quite hit the spot.

For linux there are mc, my #1 thing to install on a new server.

If you want the gui version, there is double commander, available in both gtk and qt(how do they support 2 frameworks?)

Re: Ask HN: Which abandoned proprietary software would you resurrect?

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Speaking of railroad simulation games, Sid Meier's Railroads! is still one of my favorite games of all time, even though it doesn't work on any system with more than 2GB of RAM. Everything about that game was perfect. Nothing has matched it since.

How does Sid Meier's Railroads compare to Railroad Tycoon? Growing up I played Railroad Tycoon II and Monopoly Tycoon a lot, which actually gave pretty good lessons in business. Issuing bonds at 7% are annoying to pay back, understanding overhead costs, etc. Also, for what it's worth, Railroads seems to be on Steam for $9.99. Pretty sure it'd work with more than 2 GB of RAM. There's also a bundle with Railroad Tycoon…

Railroad Tycoon is a more advanced game. Railroads was very easy to get into and more fun-oriented than Railroad Tycoon. I could never get into Railroad Tycoon. It's also a nicer looking game, being newer than any of the Railroad Tycoon games.

Before you fork out any money for Railroads, make sure you research the crashing [1]. This link is from 2015 with the latest update being two months ago with people still discussing crashing and (IMO) some sketchy ways to fix it. The game just flat out doesn't work well on newer systems. Being distributed by Steam doesn't mean it will actually run, my library is full of games that I've never gotten to open.

[1] https://steamcommunity.com/app/7600/discussions/0/6229540234...

Re: Ask HN: Which abandoned proprietary software would you resurrect?

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I haven't used electron, but in 2007 xulrunner was such a pain in the ass to write code for it wasn't worth the effort for anything where you didn't absolutely need an embedded browser, and even then there were better options. Documentation was poor or non-existent and IIRC the API was based on the half-baked XPCOM because COM and CORBA were all the rage at the time it was created.

> Documentation was poor or non-existent That's absolutley not true. "Rapid Application Development with Mozilla" has been published before 2004. It is still online: http://mb.eschew.org/ XUL (and assorted technologies) is/were broadly documentet on MDN.

Not to mention xulplanet.com which had been very helpful as well.

Re: Ask HN: Which abandoned proprietary software would you resurrect?

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MS Access. It was still easier to build quite powerful apps covering the UX, controller and model than the commercial alternatives today. In many aspects cloud application development is only just catching up with 20 year old declarative frameworks of yesteryear.

MS Access is still around. Did it change for the worse from previous versions?

It's been stagnent or arguably losing features over the last ten years.

Re: Ask HN: Which abandoned proprietary software would you resurrect?

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The Opera 12 browser, for umpteen reasons: - UX-wise, it solved many issues browsers today are still struggling with. Vivaldi is working in a similar direction, but they've basically started from scratch again so aren't close to the point of development Opera had achieved by version 12. - These HN posts from today's frontpage [0] [1] give some idea of why we really need Presto today. Not only would it just be good to…

Just FYI, you can select link text in Firefox and, I think, Chrome if you hold Alt. Learned that rather recently even though I'm practically living on the web.

Thank you so much for this. I always have trouble selecting parts of links on reddit.

Re: Ask HN: Which abandoned proprietary software would you resurrect?

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Firefox that ran Tree Style Tab properly Excel for Mac before it became a cartoon Google Reader so there would still be blogs to read Eudora so e-mail wouldn't suck a dozen or so iOS apps that stopped working after iOS 10 a dozen or so niche Windows apps that haven't been updated Reddit's redesign is probably the most destructive redesign of anything I've ever seen, and that is saying a lot. But kudos to them for (so…

>Firefox that ran Tree Style Tab properly

Indeed. I remember sitting there thinking about the ridiculousness of all of these 1 narrow-skinny column webpages on screens that were wider than they were high, and not having the tabs vertical. This was back when most regular users were browsing at 1024 x 768.

Now we're at 1920 x 1080 and it's even more ridiculous.

For what it's worth, I used an outdated version of Palemoon (27.9.4) which still (mostly) supports TreeStyleTabs.

Re: Ask HN: Which abandoned proprietary software would you resurrect?

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> The items mentioned above should be done periodically, not just once While helpful advice - if you need to do this manual maintenance regularly, the application is broken.

Possibly, hard to know over this medium. I’ve never encountered the problem, but added the tasks to my cleanup command.

Not to denigrate the hard work of developers (particularly open source developers) who work on very complex application software like Thunderbird, but software designed for regular users needs to cope without cleanup scripts. (Yes, yes, I know that reinstalling Windows from scratch is a time honoured tradition...)
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