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Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

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Loss of religious grounding. Christianity was the north star for our societies, it organized people, align them to work together, put the future(love) before personal interest(excess pleasures, sins) Without religion we are going to fail. There never was a working society without religion. Yes we are in a different time, we have to update our stories, but if we throw them out we are going to collapse. Ex: does a doct…

The downvotes are showing that you're right. People have lost faith. Today people believe science. It explains that humans are born not because of love, but cells interaction when people have sex. Science explains way more things than religion. At the same time (and paradoxically) people have stopped respecting the truth. The power is what matters. Because people with power are those who create the truth that affects…

I find more and more that downvote of HN are a sign of a good post.

I was on the leftist side all my life without knowing it, it was the water I was swimming in.

I agree that love/truth in the christian sense is what is missing. The secret ingredient that make everything work much better.

People think that without religion we will just be rational good humans and we will create an utopia. It turn out we become closer to our animal part that is more ready to grab and fight then self sacrifice for future generations or for the other humans.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

#782
post #779

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the greatest threat to a young black male is another young black male And the greatest threat to a young white male is another young white male. Does that mean that there's a genocide of white men by white men?

Yes, but the murder rate of young white men does not approach that of black men. More black men are murdered than white men as an absolute count, which is horrific considering that whites outnumber blacks by at least 4:1. Is it more racist to not talk about black on black violence, or to address it directly? Refusing to acknowledge the issue so we can tailor policy to save black lives is white privilege exemplified.…

Black people are people.

Murder is bad.

If black people are murdered out of proportion to all other races, by a wide margin, that's something that needs to be investigated.

Down vote me racists.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

#783
post #666

Well, I can tell you from my own experience… greater productivity means everyone is overworked. And better technology could benefit everyone if it was open source, but instead it helps only thoss who have amassed a lot of economic and political capital (large corporations and governments). When it comes to Web2 and Web3, it seems to have been completely captured by grift and profit motive, and has no good open source…

Greg, the problem you frame has significant jumps, incorrect assumptions, and holes, and is painted as helpless.

If we want to survive as a species, we will have to overcome the forces of disunity and come to common ground of understanding, and ensure the people who have the power to enact necessary change listen.

The issues you mention all stem from breakdowns of the fundamentals that made things work. The fundamentals have been known for quite a while. Structurally much of what you mention is misunderstanding these fundamentals, and instead seems to be just an emotional grouping of associations.

We all have it sometimes but knowing the cause gives us agency and allows us to address the issues as opposed to having it stripped being unable to act.

Here are some questions that may help you refine your understanding:

Should people be compensated more for exceeding expectations or production goals.

If they create something once, are they obligated to always improve and maintain it without reasonable compensation.

Should a majority of everything be automated, what benefit does that provide society who relies on wages for food, and work experience as growth that sparks insights and progress. Automated obviously means these companies pay out no wages beyond shareholder profits and management.

Surveillance capitalism will continue because no one has stopped it.

This allows interference into important parts of our lives that compose our identities. What generally happens to people when interference in that area reaches a certain level and is intractible, isolating, or stripping of agency? If that doesn't spark thought, What happens when prisoner's are kept in solitary?

Would your children be able to live in the world you are building (through action or inaction) and deal with the deceit, misinformation and lies. Will they have the same agency you enjoyed, and the same benefits and opportunities, if you couldn't prepare them for example if the bus factor happens.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

#784
post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>being a grown-ass adult in pajamas out in public I'm with you about all the other things but people wearing whatever clothes they want to affects you in literally no way shape or form.

Dress how you want in your own house. The public space isn't yours and you don't have a right to dress indecently in the public space. Turns out, some of us want to live in a society that takes itself seriously and gives a shit. Walking around in your Cookie Monster PJs just doesn't cut it. THIS mindset is what I think is the root of all the other listed problems. Somehow freedom has come to mean "I can do whatever I…

For Christ sake, if you seriously can't tell the difference between an exhaust system that physically assault one's ears bordering on tinnitus versus a goofy eccentric pair of Cookie Monster pajamas, I just don't know what to say.

What does "a society which takes itself seriously" even mean? To me this just sounds like mindless conformity.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

#785

> People are noisy as fuck and dont seem to give a shit. Seems like every night there's someone with loud as exhaust on "sportish" car ripping around the neihborhood. For months this guy would start up his loud car at 7am and no one care when I complained. > Police seem to not give a shit anymore. I've noticed what seems to be total lawlessness going on in my world. Folks stealing shit. People driving absurdly danger…

As others have pointed out: this is the society becoming more liberal. The great triumph of liberalism has been removing the government's influence on social norms, and how we engage non-violently with one another in general. Where the modern Left has gone off the rails is insisting that we also cannot reinforce good behavior and shame bad behavior, mostly the latter, through non-violent social interactions. It's gre…

I tend to make more negative judgments on people who look like they've spent the last three hours coiffing every individual hair follicle. All I see is the human equivalent of a whitewashed tomb.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

#786
1. We're in late-stage capitalism. Things are optimized for capital, not for people.

2. You are a victim of the fact that sensationalism drives views and clicks. Things aren't getting any worse, you're just exposed to the worst of it.

2. You're getting older.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

#787

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This makes 0 sense to me.

TL;DR Sure tech progress is cool, but it's hard to care when I feel more isolated from my community than ever, the world feels "angry", and in many important ways my life feels much worse off than just a few years ago. The meme about "but living standards doubling every X years!" is little comfort when you can't feel any of those impacts - not to mention that the material is scarcely the only thing that matters for h…

It also very much feels like any advancements in tech for the future will also only be accessible to wealthy people... As living costs are skyrocketing daily at the whim of overpaid and callous executives everywhere worldwide.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

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post #728
post #725

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be honest, the regime change in Afghanistan was kind of working, at least that's what it looked to me when I was there in 2010. Then the western world lost interest and withdrew

How long were we supposed to enforce the regime change there?

We've probably only spent 1/10 on it of what we sent to Ukraine last year since the beginning.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

#789
post #7

I think you're way off base. It's called rosy retrospection, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosy_retrospection . As you already mentioned in your comments, you're judging the past disproportionately more positive that the present. If you really want to know if everything is declining, try measure it everyday for the next five years. For example, every day, rate your personal well being, track how (un)happy you are wit…

The world has been very dependent on tech for a long time now. We've had many companies that dominated tech and now they have a stranglehold on pretty much every aspect of life and business.

I think a major component to societal decline can be linked to the effects of social media and ill willed corporate and consumerist influence on everything around us, coupled with the on-going social and economic conflicts (war etc) being driven by egotistical personalities that have also been an enduring problem worldwide.

As the Internet grows, greed and ego are consuming resources that were previously share across many prior... There is only the illusion of success played out by people (many of them are trust-fund-driven nepo-babies), as web sites. social and dating apps. and many other prominent online schemes are now simply lottery games that rarely pay out even after years of careful participation. Our ability to climb economically is under great threat by greed of far more wealthy people than us.

The future looks grim as long as we keep letting the wrong greedy personalities win... We really need to stop giving that a pass.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

#790
29yo woman here. I passionately share the bitter sentiment that most things are declining. Some anecdotal evidence.

* The built quality of the average fridge, car, phone, piece of clothing, sofa feels lower. A few years lifespan at most. One has to pay big bucks to get great build. Also, we repair much less and replace much more. * Community and family bonds are extremely weak. People in my city used to go to church on Sundays and socialise. We used to have family meals weekly. Now each family is locked in their house I feel. People don't have kids and think they can get an equal level of fulfilment from work or hobbies or traveling. * Many transaction, not many interactions with people. Attention spans have become super short. People very self-centered. No ability to listen. Not even interest. Genuine conversations f2f in decline. During my childhood people used to sit out on their balconies and have conversations with people who passed by. Kids used to play outside. I feel kids were more smiley, vibrant and full of life. * Aura of laziness and entitlement. I feel in general people have less appetite to go out and do things. I also think we are way more fragile and mentally weak growing up in this societies whilist being protected from any adversity from our families. * We are more connected than every but feel the least truly connected. A result of digital communication I believe instead of real f2f touch and talk. * Nobody of my friends can afford a house. My parents had one at 25. We are 30 and most of them are still stuck at entry level jobs (various reasons). 30s are meant to be our career peak. * Brother coming fresh out of university and it is impossible to get a job. I had no trouble, parents, not even. * Every building looks the same. Not attention to detail put anymore. Furniture too. And ofcourse software. Every landing page every product feels kinda the same. Minimal they call it. Where is the soul? Where is the craft? Emotional design? * The people successful online are the ones who shout the loudest not the ones that have the highest quality or are most legit. This holds for 'creators' and for businesses that are trying to sell you something. It is all about sneaky loud marketing. * Woke culture. Don't even get me started. * We are more productive than ever but work just as much as we used to. It used to be that human progress was measured by the amount of labor one had to do to make a living. The less the better. This metric has barely moved. * Gentlemen are hard to find and not appreciated. Craftsmen. Good ethical businesses - everybody is looking to make a quick buck with little care and devotion it feels. What was once considered the peak of human flourishing is extremely hard to find.

Sure there are so many things that got better like access to knowledge, power to create our own opportunities, cheap travel, conveniences like UBER or online bookings, improved healthcare(?), generation that cares about doing the right thing(?) but do they balance out the negatives? I am not so sure. Again; I am talking about Western societies. And these are just observations and feelings of one person. I don't have data to back these.

I am really trying to check if I am objective or if I am being driven by emotion aka nostalgia for the good ol days, as many in the comments mention. But I still hold the position that the at least Western societies is getting worse.

By many measures of wellbeing personally I am better off now than in the past: salary/material wellbeing, fitness, number of friends, freedom, skill, self-awareness, wisdom, emotional maturity, peace, finding my mission in life, having an unbelievable partner, great bonds with family etc But still I truly, objectively think life is not as good as 90s - 2010s

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