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A lot of things on https://killedbygoogle.com/ . I used to use 30-40 Google products and services. I'm down to 3-4. Google Picasa: Everything local, so fast, so good. I'm never going to give my photos to G Photos. Google Hangouts: Can't keep track of all the Google chat apps. I use Signal now. Google G Suite Legacy: It was supposed to be free forever. They killed it, tried to make me pay. I migrated out of Google. Go…

I am just learning via this comment they’re killing chromecast. My disappointment is immeasurable. I have 3, and use them daily. This might be the push to get me to install network wide Adblock.

I should’ve realized when that recent update broke them for like a week, then the brought the all back online, but suddenly much buggier.

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The Plan 9 operating system. It's the closest thing to a Unix successor we ever got, taking the "everything is a file" philosophy to another level and allowing to easily share those files over the network to build distributed systems. Accessing any remote resources is easy and robust on Plan9, meanwhile on other systems we need to install specialized software with bad interoperability for each individual use case. Pl…

UNIX is for dorks. We needed a Smalltalk style, "everything is an object and you can talk to all objects" but thankfully we got Java and, "object oriented" C++. The Alto operating system was leaps and bounds ahead of the Mac and Windows 3.1 system and it took Steve Jobs a decade to realize, "oh shit we could have just made everything an object." Then we get WebObjects and the lousy IPod and everything is fascist history.

#next #never #forget #thieves

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Plasma TVs. They’re nearly irrelevant now because of OLED technology, but they were actually fantastic tech. They had a bad reputation because the early models were hot, heavy, power hungry, and suffered from burn-in.

Still, even in the early days they had great black levels and zero motion lag - they’d advertise it as “600 fps”. They seriously improved on power draws and heat, and were definitely superior if you wanted an ideal movie or sports watching experience.

Buuut they were also competing with LED TVs, which could be really REALLY thin (rule of cool) and would just sip power. They died out.

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Peep (The Network Auralizer).

> replaces visual monitoring with a sonic `ecology' of natural sounds, where each kind of sound represents a specific kind of network event.

https://www.usenix.org/conference/lisa-2000/peep-network-aur...

The concept is that we are wired to notice sounds that are out of the ordinary, but “ordinary” sounds are not distracting.

I had forgotten about this project for a number of years until I read Peter Watts’s Blindsight.

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Sandstorm: it seemed quite nice with a lot of possibilities when it launched in 2014, but it didn’t really take off and then it moved to sandstorm.org. The creator, kentonv (on HN), commented about it recently here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44848099

The actual problem with Sandstorm wasn't the era in which it was released. It will probably have the same problems even if released today. The problem was its application isolation mechanism - especially the data isolation (I think they were called grains). The mechanism is technically brilliant. But it's a big departure from how apps are developed today. It means that you have to do non-trivial modifications to web…

I think mistakes were made in not making it easier to adapt applications. (I disagree with Kenton's opinion this is futile, there are plenty of alternative systems which require bespoke apps, and if anything Sandstorm's biggest problem was not having enough name-brand ported apps working on it people expected.)

For example, making external network requests from a Sandstorm app is hard by default. Years after it was "dead", Ian Denhardt wrote a simple drop-in tool you could include in an app which would use a conventional HTTP proxy to hijack the requests from the app and turn them into Powerbox requests. Even though it isn't "the best" way to do it, it is very serviceable and approachable to devs. I think it's something Sandstorm should've supported by default, to abstract away that challenge.

The funny thing is, Sandstorm is actually kinda a pain if you know the engineering you want to do but the platform restricts you from it: It's actually much much better at nontechnical users just being able to use finished apps. I don't think the "use Sandstorm as infrastructure" story is nearly as good. The original Sandstorm company wasn't running a lot of their own infrastructure on Sandstorm, and some of it that was required hidden hacks to work around some of the big ways Sandstorm isn't really designed for hosting websites.

I still don't think it's dead, but since everyone who still really wants to work on Sandstorm has bills to pay and jobs to do (and kids to raise), we definitely aren't moving super fast.

Where I do agree with Kenton is that Sandstorm really excels at running vibe coded apps, I've been playing with it, and found it very easy to get AI tools to fix apps up for Sandstorm. And of course, a sandbox that only runs when the user is interacting with it and manages all of the authentication for you is the safest place to run untrustworthy code that may have security or performance bugs.

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Google Reader: I will forever be salty about how Google killed something that likely required very little maintenance in the long run. It could have stayed exactly the same for a decade and I wouldn't have cared because I use an RSS reader exactly the same way I do that I did back in 2015.

I never understood why noone built a Copycat (like "bgr" -> "better google reader :-D) There would have been a clear change to fill this vacuum? The thing is: I guess they didnt see a good way to monetize it (according to their "metrics"), while the product itself had somehow relative high OpEx and being somehow a niche thingy.

They did, Feedly.

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Warnier Orr Diagrams. Too early for the internet and adoption into UML.

Think flowcharts crossed with pseudocode but following Structured Programming principles.

Very useful for mocking up, designing and testing code logic before you write it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warnier/Orr_diagram

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Windows Phone.

I felt like the OS hit a stride around 8.1, with some markets sporting somewhat impressive marketshare, and the corporate politics of the whole situation and Nokia merger screwed it up badly.

I really think if Microsoft had doubled down and focused on getting flagship devices to all 4 flagship carriers it would have gone somewhere.

But I remember at the time having a dead end of hardware where competitors were putting out new phones on all 4 carriers every year. With Windows Phone you were hopping between carrier exclusives or getting nothing because all the new Nokia/Microsoft phones were low end or mid-range at best.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I loved silverlight. Before I got a “serious” job, I was a summer intern at a small civil engineering consultancy that had gradually moved into developing custom software that it sold mostly to local town/city/county governments in Arizona (mostly custom mapping applications; for example, imagine Google Maps but you can see an overlay of all the street signs your city owns and click on one to insert a note into some…

Sounds like a nice gig. > It turns out that getting office workers to install a blessed plugin from Microsoft and navigate to a web page is much easier than distributing binaries that you have to install and keep up to date. And developing for it was pure pleasure; you got to use C# and Visual Studio, and a GUI interface builder IIRC around that time, you could also distribute full-blown desktop applications (C# WinF…

Silverlight at some point was part of windows update, so most people needn’t do anything — just open the link.
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