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Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by executesorder66 »

mission_failed wrote: post #626
roydivision wrote: post #379

My 2 cents of venting on this sorry excuse of software - Backtick formatting in a chat post only works after typing the closing backtick, deleting it, re-typing it - Text copied from a conversation is polluted with names and time stamps. "I really want this feature" said nobody ever - The mute/unmute button is hard to find, I don't think I've ever attended a Teams meeting without someone struggling with this. Teams s…

Searching Oh god the searching It's so bad it must be actively designed to not work. Find a result that is outside the current cached chats and want to see the posts around it for context? Just click the result... To show only the result on page?? Lol gfy, you have to manually scroll allllllllll the way back through months of texts. Let's lump together text chats meeting chats, org chart and sharepoint/teams files, a…

I thought the search was shit, but it's actually way worse. If the specific message you are looking for is more than 90 days old, it WILL NOT show up in the search results. This is hard coded into teams. They are intentionally crippling the usefulness of their application. It can only be because they are mentally retarded.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by executesorder66 »

jdhzzz wrote: post #617
roydivision wrote: post #379

My 2 cents of venting on this sorry excuse of software - Backtick formatting in a chat post only works after typing the closing backtick, deleting it, re-typing it - Text copied from a conversation is polluted with names and time stamps. "I really want this feature" said nobody ever - The mute/unmute button is hard to find, I don't think I've ever attended a Teams meeting without someone struggling with this. Teams s…

Things I like (What?): Ctrl-Shift-V pastes into TEAMs with no formatting. Should be part of the OS. Contrary to WebEx (what we came from for meetings), joining a TEAMs meeting from both PC and phone joins you as one participant, not 2.

> Ctrl-Shift-V pastes into TEAMs with no formatting. Should be part of the OS.

Pasting without formatting should be the default behaviour. Ctrl-Shift-V should be for people who want the shitty version.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by pasc1878 »

Jaruzel wrote: post #461
barnabee wrote: post #158

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They also bought (and ruined) MindAlign which had originally been developed and spun off from UBS investment bank and was light years ahead of its time. What they turned it into / replaced it with was such a depressing step backwards.

Yup, MindAlign was born out of an internal product in UBS called 'Interchange'. Interchange was a java client, that fundamentally spoke standard IRC to IRC servers, but also used extra external databases to auto-connect users to channels and secure sensitive channels. The client also forced real names (via Active Directory), and was hardcoded to only connect to the UBS IRC servers. The IRC servers themselves were alt…

I think Interchange was not originally Java but a NeXTStep application. I am also ex UBS. I don't remember it being slow though.= but then again I might not have used the Java version just NeXTStep and the mIRC hack.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by executesorder66 »

bluGill wrote: post #622
Woeps wrote: post #393

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Wait wüt.... Regardless of software, I decide when I'm available to be contacted... not somebody else. I already mute all notifications/ringtones on the phone when I want to focus, why should we also start doing this on computers?

What makes you as a human more valuable than other animals is your ability to communicate. As if your have everything muted you are making yourself less valuable. The ability to focus without distraction for short periods is okay, but as a human you need to be available to communicate with others the vast majority of the time. You will get less done in total, but what you do get done is so much more valuable to human…

> but as a human you need to be available to communicate with others the vast majority of the time

I hope every time you are in public (and even in your private life) that you are accosted by randos who are over eager to share whatever drivel comes to their mind. And if you complain they will retort with "as a human you need to be available to communicate with others the vast majority of the time".

Please answer ever spam caller, every JW/door-to-door salesman. You _need_ this. Please post your personal contact details in every public space. Everyone NEEDS to communicate with you. It's not up to you. It's up to them. They must be able to communicate with you whenever it suits them.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by wizofaus »

executesorder66 wrote: post #769
JohnFen wrote: post #704

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> Yup, almost everyone at MS is using Teams internally Really? So they have to know how awful it is. That makes its continued awfulness even more perplexing.

Really? With the exception of Office I can't think of a single microsoft product that could ever be considered "good". They have consistently crapped out sub-par products for decades. It would be perplexing if they could actually get any IM software to a good state. This is their 3rd one. They even bought arguably the best one in the world (Skype) in 2009. Which was "coincidentally" the year that Skype usage fell of…

Have you never used Visual Studio or VS Code? Would you consider C#/.NET or TypeScript to be products? Having worked with various developer-centric tools across Windows, MacOS and Linux for the last 20 odd years, if I ever felt MS consistently dumped sub-par products on its userbase I'd happily walk away and use alternatives. Teams is one of the few of their products I regularly resent being forced to work with, and would never recommend it if I were in the position to (and yes, Skype for Business would be next on the list).

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by executesorder66 »

wizofaus wrote: post #775
executesorder66 wrote: post #769

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Really? With the exception of Office I can't think of a single microsoft product that could ever be considered "good". They have consistently crapped out sub-par products for decades. It would be perplexing if they could actually get any IM software to a good state. This is their 3rd one. They even bought arguably the best one in the world (Skype) in 2009. Which was "coincidentally" the year that Skype usage fell of…

Have you never used Visual Studio or VS Code? Would you consider C#/.NET or TypeScript to be products? Having worked with various developer-centric tools across Windows, MacOS and Linux for the last 20 odd years, if I ever felt MS consistently dumped sub-par products on its userbase I'd happily walk away and use alternatives. Teams is one of the few of their products I regularly resent being forced to work with, and…

Okay I concede that Visual Studio is also good.

VS code is another crappy electron app. Why anyone would want to use electron for a text editor is beyond me.

C#/.NET are crap. Especially .NET. And a programming language that is not cross-platfrom is a joke. I know they have made some efforts to get it to work on other OS's but those are just as crappy as all their other stuff.

Nothing wrong with typescript, but I don't really see it as any kind of innovation. It's just JS with some guardrails.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by Jaruzel »

pasc1878 wrote: post #773
Jaruzel wrote: post #461

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup, MindAlign was born out of an internal product in UBS called 'Interchange'. Interchange was a java client, that fundamentally spoke standard IRC to IRC servers, but also used extra external databases to auto-connect users to channels and secure sensitive channels. The client also forced real names (via Active Directory), and was hardcoded to only connect to the UBS IRC servers. The IRC servers themselves were alt…

I think Interchange was not originally Java but a NeXTStep application. I am also ex UBS. I don't remember it being slow though.= but then again I might not have used the Java version just NeXTStep and the mIRC hack.

Did you and I ever cross paths ? Wondering now if I know you ;)

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by i_am_jl »

sumedh wrote: post #688
i_am_jl wrote: post #522

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It'd be hard to argue that MS has a monopoly on real time collaboration software when Slack exists. It'd be similarly difficult to argue they're acting anti-competitively when Slack is thriving.

> Slack is thriving. Is Slack profitable?

$780m profit in 2021.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by twhitmore »

mgkimsal wrote: post #650
yurishimo wrote: post #568

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You can have both. Also, let's not pretend developers are wholly committed to writing comprehensive commit messages. A ticket number is useful if the change was relatively recent. If the organization moves to a different tool, chances are they are well aware of the potential history they are leaving behind.

and... I've never yet been in a team/project where being able to track/view/find issue/code pairings from years ago was ever remotely useful or helpful. If it was something in the last few months, sometimes people could dig in and try to understand a bit more by asking relevant people. Finding a 'bug' introduced by someone from 4 years ago who doesn't work there any more, then finding the particular ticket that spawn…

As an architect working on maintenance & refactoring, I find regular value in being able to understand the context (issue tracker ticket) in which a commit was made.

Also more than mildly useful for devs doing porting work.

Commit comments are rarely substantive enough, and "asking relevant people" is nice but not an actual substitute for keeping meaningful records.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by i_am_jl »

trelane wrote: post #566
i_am_jl wrote: post #522

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It'd be hard to argue that MS has a monopoly on real time collaboration software when Slack exists. It'd be similarly difficult to argue they're acting anti-competitively when Slack is thriving.

I think usually the argument is that they're leveraging an _existing_ foothold to gain advantage in a _new_ market. So the existing foothold is MS Office and MS Office 360, and the new market is messaging. How they gained this foothold in desktop productivity software is left as an exercise to the reader.

Hey, thanks! I don't know much about antitrust, so this is likely to be a dumb question;

Why is messaging a new/different market for Microsoft regarding O365? Microsoft has been including business-targeted messaging/collab tools in O365 for years. Skype for Business preceded Slack, let alone Office Communicator or Linc, not to mention Outlook.

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