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Re: Ask HN: Best way to host a website for 500 years?

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At that rate, just make sure it's part of the human genome :)

Short story where SETI programmers turn new message hunting code on archived files and it detects a message in the human genome rather than in radio signals from the cosmos: https://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/sftriple/gpic.html ( https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/252832/short-story... )

By the author of autoCAD no less! Thanks for sharing this. You have enriched my day.

Re: Ask HN: Best way to host a website for 500 years?

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post #681

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> to make that web page pertain to something of epochal importance to millions of people which is a hard task. and irrelevant to the OP's question. There are many things that people would want to preserve, but is of no importance to the grand scheme of humanity. You're basically saying that unless your works is of such importance that millions of people generations to come would voluntarily preserve it, the works do…

I've said nothing about what "deserves" preservation, but only what sort of things tend to be preserved over periods on the scale of centuries. And yes: My contention is that unless a substantial community of people voluntarily commit to preserving something, it likely will not survive (or will do so accidentally). I'm not quite following why this is not relevant to the OP's question. I suppose I'm saying that it's n…

It's a different side to the question that others are answering, and it's interesting to think about.

What does last? Making something a tradition can help smooth over logic. Making it part of a long running organisation would help (organisations can exist for multiple centuries).

Perhaps an organisation dedicated to preserving messages through the ages, and encourage - say - a Christmas message? More people involved mean more care.

Re: Ask HN: Best way to host a website for 500 years?

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QR codes on to analogue film seems to be the way they're doing it at the Norway seed bank, along with instructions to decode them. [0]

I'd be (posthumously) surprised if HTML was still a thing in even 100 years.

[0] https://gizmodo.com/norway-gets-a-second-doomsday-vault-that...

Re: Ask HN: Best way to host a website for 500 years?

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Other comments have given ways to physically archive the webpage. Continually hosting it is a much trickier endeavor. Beyond just keeping the servers up, technologies will shift such that eventually html webpages, servers that talk using tcp/ip, datacenters that connect via fiber cables, etc will all be deprecated. That said, if we have a very liberal definition of the word "website" to include any successor technolo…

> That said, if we have a very liberal definition of the word "website" to include any successor technologies where a device can be used to request a document, given an identifier, that looks recognizably like your webpage, this is doable.

Let's not restrict this to "successor technologies." If we look to prior art, the traditional solution has been to deposit a copy of a work in a library. In that light, OP sounds like they're looking for the concept of a "family chronicle."

Re: Ask HN: Best way to host a website for 500 years?

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Unequivocally you can consider writing in Arabic. It is almost guaranteed that people will still be able to read Arabic. This is how the build up of the Arabic language heritage continues todate. All is still readable.

Consider this article https://noor.imx.sh/2015/12/22/arabic-beyond-the-numerals-sy...

Re: Ask HN: Best way to host a website for 500 years?

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Best way to host a website for 500 years? Solution: Host a website and all the software in a future-proof virtual machine.

Alan Kay describes this is methode in [1] a Starship Conference talk about communication with aliens and in [2]the Cuniform paper.

The virtual machine solution is a solution to more general problems: how to use any software on any type of computing device at any time (even after most hardware and software knowledge has disappeared) and when even creator and user of software not share a language (as with intelligent aliens). They allow software to run bit-identical on any other software or hardware.

Smalltalk virtual machines are still running software sinds 1972(!) [4] and have been ported to the most diverse hardware and operating systems of any software I know of, even in javascript web browsers [3].

My websites are an existence proof. In 1987 I founded the first internet provider (as far as I know) and built some of the first websites in 1993. These websites have now been online for 28 years (actually longer but not in HTML format but Hypercard).

All my websites are written in Smalltalk (a programming language and operating system in a virtual machine image) and since 2007 in the Seaside continuation framework inside Squeak. All that I need to do is have a small simple virtual machine program running and responding to TCP/IP packets. The virtual machine executes whatever is in the image file, in this case a Squeak Smalltalk image and several Seaside websites).

Jecel Mattos de Assumpçao Jr. and Merik Voswinkel have been inventing and producing manycore microprocessors to execute most (universal) virtual machines like Smalltalk or QEMU under the brand names Morphle and SiliconSqueak since 2007. Contact us at morphle at ziggo dot nl for more info about our universal parallel reconfigurable software defined virtual machine microprocessors.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wW89RHf4D4

[2] http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2015004_cuneiform.pdf

[3] https://computerhistory.org/blog/introducing-the-smalltalk-z...

[4] https://smalltalkzoo.thechm.org/

Re: Ask HN: Best way to host a website for 500 years?

#768
Priests at Haridwar, India maintain handwritten Bahi Khata (Genealogy register) which has record spanning around 2000 years and they are able to search it in about 5-7 minutes so its pretty robust.

Links: 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_genealogy_registers_at_H... 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcSyvvreJKs

Re: Ask HN: Best way to host a website for 500 years?

#770
Only 500 years or better through the dark age of the Galactic Empire?

The Seldon Plan:

1. Start a foundation.

2. Locate it at the outer rimes of the civilised galaxy.

3. Implement a technocratic cult governed by a dynasty of priests.

4. Engage in psychohistorical research for envisioning future risks.

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