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Re: Ask HN: Any weird tips for weight loss?

#731
Eat less food!

Forget exercise for now.

  -Buy a scale and count calories scrupulously.
  -Stay under 1800 calories/day while you're trying to lose weight. Every calorie counts. Count them all.
  -once you reach your target weight, you can raise it up a bit (probably around ~2200/day if you're an average male)
  -make sure you measure and weigh everything you eat and DRINK
  -stop drinking alcohol (too easy to add unaccounted calories)
  -stop eating out
  -stop associating with overweight or obese people
  -never do a "cheat day". Every calorie counts
  -drink water and black coffee if you need caffeine. (Some of those starbucks drinks have 600 calories in them. Don't do it!)
You'll quickly learn to put together a menu that satisfies you at this calorie level. Example menu:

   - breakfast: two large eggs prepared in 1/2 pat of butter (210 calories) and one slice of toast (100 calories) = 310 total
   - lunch: chicken breast and a vegetable (330 calories)
   - afternoon snack: apple or banana (120 calories)
   - dinner: grilled fish or chicken and beans (400 calories)

Re: Ask HN: Any weird tips for weight loss?

#732
If you're into data and metrics and what not, I can't recommend "Burn the fat, feed the muscle" enough:

https://www.amazon.com/Burn-Fat-Feed-Muscle-Turbo-Charged/dp...

Basically this:

0.) Weight loss isn't binary. Doing something good is always better than doing nothing. Little things add up.

1.) You can't lose weight by netting fewer calories than you use; you can't gain muscle by using more calories than you net

2.) A good macrobiotic (carbs|protein|fat) calorie ratio to go by is 50%|30%|20%. (if you're calculating percentages by grams instead of calories its 56%|33%|10%)

3.) It takes more energy to eat some foods than others (thermic effect of food). You see this in TV shows like "ALONE" where the contestants starve despite a surplus of lean protein since protein is hard to digest. Ditto salads.

4.) Do cardio

5.) Do resistance training

6.) Bonus: So your body doesn't adapt, go 3 days of lower calories, 1 day of higher calories

7.) Bonus: To lose weight faster, go 3 days of lower carbs, 1 day of higher carbs

8.) Bonus: Eat smaller meals as the day goes on

The first 5 are critical; the last 3 are if you want to dork out over it.

Re: Ask HN: Any weird tips for weight loss?

#733
Given that you explicitly ask for a weird tip: stop eating normal food, instead eat/drink Plenny Shakes from Jimmy joy, or something similar. It does not have to be for every meal, just be sure to do it consistently.

To share a bit of my personal experience: I was not especially fat but with a BMI "overweight". But since last year I started eating/drinking Plenny Shakes as my morning meal every day (for other health reasons than losing weight). Without changing anything else to my lifestyle I lost something like 6kg in ~8 months. And I actually enjoy drinking their shakes so it doesn't even feel like a task.

All the best in reaching your goals!

Re: Ask HN: Any weird tips for weight loss?

#734
Tons of comments already in the direction of 'eat less' and 'exercise more'. Of course. One thing I've found extremely helpful is to cook more! WFH is amazing for this. If you can find 15 minutes of meeting time throughout the day where you aren't an active speaker, you can chop vegetables or do dishes for lunch and dinner.

Back to the primary topic: cooking your own meals makes 'eating less' a matter of dialing in the portion sizes over time. I eat ~110g of pasta, or 0.8 cups of rice, or similar, and about 0.3-0.5 lb of protein, and about 1-1.5 vegetables per meal. Overall, I eat two meals like this, black coffee, a breakfast bar, and a snack, which puts me at 2000-2500 cal.

Now, on to a weird tip: meal planning! What a fun mix of intuition and ideas from operations research.

Re: Ask HN: Any weird tips for weight loss?

#735

I lost about 30 pounds using Noom. I learned so many useful tips and tricks from that app and it really works without any gimmicks. You just learn a lot about which foods are filling but low calorie (yogurt, eggs) and which foods are toxic waste heaps (desserts, soda).

I've lost weight with Noom too. It has the usual things like tracking food you eat and weight but more importantly, it has a strong psychological component to address why you eat. It doesn't shame you into never eating pizza or chocolate, it reframes your relationship with food. I'm not sure if it is setting things up for long term success but it does work in the short term. It focuses a lot on foods that contain a high percentage of water which makes them less calorie dense.

Re: Ask HN: Any weird tips for weight loss?

#736

Lift weights two or three times per week, and walk just barely enough to avoid being completely sedentary. Nothing crazy, I'm talking about using the weight machines at a gym, and walking just ~8k steps per day with a pedometer watch to gamify it. I'm a naturally obese person, and I've read a thousand of these threads over the years. Nearly every comment is either: * Telling you to "hack your body", with keto or what…

> Nothing crazy, I'm talking about using the weight machines at a gym, and walking just ~8k steps per day with a pedometer watch to gamify it. This is a little crazy if you work in an office though. It's like over 1 hour of walking per day. Where do people find the time?

After dinner when the weather is better. Spring-fall I try to get out for a walk like that everyday if not a run.

Or cumulatively. When the officemates take a smoke break, I take a 15 minute walk (when the weather is better).

Re: Ask HN: Any weird tips for weight loss?

#737

Lift weights two or three times per week, and walk just barely enough to avoid being completely sedentary. Nothing crazy, I'm talking about using the weight machines at a gym, and walking just ~8k steps per day with a pedometer watch to gamify it. I'm a naturally obese person, and I've read a thousand of these threads over the years. Nearly every comment is either: * Telling you to "hack your body", with keto or what…

Oddly enough, I've found that weightlifting is completely contrary to my weight loss goals. Lifting makes me ravenous, often in unpredictable ways, which makes it much easier to overeat.

I'm trying to lose a little weight, so after ten years as a huge gym rat, Im currently going once a week just to keep my body functional. It now feels almost trivially easy to eat few, healthy, small meals. Combined with fasting every few days, the lbs are just melting away.

Re: Ask HN: Any weird tips for weight loss?

#738

Lift weights two or three times per week, and walk just barely enough to avoid being completely sedentary. Nothing crazy, I'm talking about using the weight machines at a gym, and walking just ~8k steps per day with a pedometer watch to gamify it. I'm a naturally obese person, and I've read a thousand of these threads over the years. Nearly every comment is either: * Telling you to "hack your body", with keto or what…

> walking just ~8k steps per day

You kind of gloss over this, but 8k steps is around 3 miles of walking for the average person. You might be able to get that "naturally" if you live in an urban area and go out on foot every day to get coffee, groceries, etc., but if you're a typical WFH software engineer living in the suburbs, you're probably going to have to spend 45 min to an hour every day walking for exercise to achieve that number. I'm certainly not claiming that this is excessive or impossible or anything, but spending more than an hour a day (when combined with the weight lifting) on exercise and fitness is a MAJOR lifestyle change for most people. I think it's extremely important to be honest about the effort and commitment required. Getting healthy and staying healthy is _hard_, especially if you're starting out seriously overweight or obese.

Re: Ask HN: Any weird tips for weight loss?

#739
People get mad when they hear this, but:

A) Obesity is HIGHLY heritable. Tons of twin and adoption studies prove this. The correlation between the adult BMIs of adopted (non-related) siblings raised in the same household is virtually zero. This means that parenting practices have no long-term impact on body fatness. The correlation between the adult BMIs of biological siblings raised in different households is strong, though.*

B) Virtually all attempts to lose weight eventually fail. "Eat less and exercise more" essentially doesn't work as a long-term weight loss intervention, because very few people are able to comply with it over the long term. The one exception is gastric bypass surgery, which does reliably produce long-term weight loss. There are some new medications that show promise, but it's too soon to tell if they'll work permanently.

*People will inevitably say "how can obesity be heritable when it's increased so much over time? Americans used to be much thinner!" But the same is true of other highly heritable traits, like height. In some Asian countries, people are six inches taller than they were 100 years ago. Nevertheless, height is heritable. Heritability exists within a specific environmental context, and our environment is much more conducive to obesity than it was in the past.

Re: Ask HN: Any weird tips for weight loss?

#740

Lift weights two or three times per week, and walk just barely enough to avoid being completely sedentary. Nothing crazy, I'm talking about using the weight machines at a gym, and walking just ~8k steps per day with a pedometer watch to gamify it. I'm a naturally obese person, and I've read a thousand of these threads over the years. Nearly every comment is either: * Telling you to "hack your body", with keto or what…

You're so right. > * Telling you to "just eat well and exercise". Which is about as useful as telling drug addicts to "just stop using drugs", I like to liken it to telling poor people that overcoming debt and becoming wealthy is a matter of spending less money than you earn. True and useless! > 1. Exercise helps you eat well I've noticed this as well. Also: I'd like to be proven wrong on this, but I believe the poin…

> I'd like to be proven wrong on this, but I believe the point of exercise that builds muscle is that it increases your energy costs at rest ... I can't see this fact anywhere though. Is that stupid? So obvious to everyone that nobody even mentions it?

What kind of sources are you looking for? It's pretty common bro science, and often repeated on HN and reddit.

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