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Re: Ask HN: Abandoned/dead projects you think died before their time and why?

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So you think the 'prime time' for American democracy was not in the past, nor the present, but will eventually happen in the future? Or are you claiming that it died a long, long, time ago, and now is when we really need it, but it wasn't needed before? Is American democracy a 'project'?

I am generally not one to engage in online political discussion, especially when it stems from such a glib and self serving post as GP but it is my thread and I am running out of time in the year to hit my quota (1).

Project seems a fitting description of American democracy and the project aspect is part of what makes it American. We the people are working towards that more perfect Union even if at times it does not seem it, the system mostly works but there is no straight line between where we started and that more perfect Union and whatever that more perfect union is, is not a constant. We do get lost along the way, take round about paths, sidestep, go backwards, etc, it is a requirement of the shared aim and sometimes a step backwards is actually a step forward. We can't achieve that more perfect Union, all we can do is keep trying and hope we are more or less going in the correct general direction.

As long as American democracy keeps evolving it is alive and has held up better than one would expect. For at least a century the country has been run by parties that supposedly want to kill American democracy, strangle it with their ideology and defeat the enemies of American democracy which just happen to be their political rivals; we would live in a utopia if it was not for . But they keep failing and the project continues on.

Re: Ask HN: Abandoned/dead projects you think died before their time and why?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

iirc Atom was the original Electron project. Eventually VS Code came along and took all the good ideas - the modularity through extensions, and Electron / web based cross platform, but made it really fast and added IDE like language support through LSP. Atom may be dead now, but the idea lives on in VS Code and the new project by the original developers of Atom: Zed

> iirc Atom was the original Electron project. Indeed (and the names are a clue). More specifically, Electron came out of the ideas in Atom, not the other way around.

Electron was originally named Atom Shell https://www.electronjs.org/blog/electron/

Atom Shell/Electron was from the very beginning something you could use separately from Atom as a framework for creating desktop apps using Chromium/Node.js.

Re: Ask HN: Abandoned/dead projects you think died before their time and why?

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Adobe Flash / Shockwave. After all these decades, I've yet to see a tool that makes it as easy to make games or multimedia as Flash did. One of many reminders recently (many others in politics) that humanity doesn't just inevitably or linearly move forward in any domain, or even 2 steps forward 1 step back. Some things are just lost to time - maybe rediscovered in a century, maybe never.

Well, I miss Director which I used a lot for demos/prototyping.

Re: Ask HN: Abandoned/dead projects you think died before their time and why?

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Betamax. Because I bought a player and it gave better quality video.

Technology Connections would like a word. https://youtu.be/hGVVAQVdEOs?t=693

I bought my Betamax in the store having compared VHS to Beta side by side. When I say that Beta was better the main thing I'm referring to is the clarity during fast forwarding or reversing. When scanning through a video VHS was full of staticky noise, but Beta was clean. I don't recall that the quality during regular playback was particularly different, but I like to be able to see what's happening when I move around a video.

It seems like a clear winner. Of course, this was comparing one particular beta machine to one particular VHS machine.

Re: Ask HN: Abandoned/dead projects you think died before their time and why?

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- Apple AirPort. Took a long time for advanced wifi solutions that "just work" to fill its place, and those are the Nest/Google things that have bs attached like mic+assistant. Unifi is too hard for consumers. - Gnome2 dropped from Ubuntu in favor of Unity - Ford Crown Victoria

> - Ford Crown Victoria

You can't just drop that and not say why...

Re: Ask HN: Abandoned/dead projects you think died before their time and why?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no place for spyware of any kind on my phone. Saying that it is to "protect the children" and "to catch terrorists" does not make it any more acceptable.

Do you have any phones without spyware? I believe my retro Nokia phones s60/s90 does not have any spyware. I believe earlier Nokia models like s40 or monochrome does not even have an ability to spy on me (but RMS considers triangulation as spyware). I don't believe any products from the duopoly without even root access are free from all kinds of vendor's rootkits.

Graphene, Lineage and various Linux distributions for phones come to mind.

Re: Ask HN: Abandoned/dead projects you think died before their time and why?

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Kuro5hin https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuro5hin I was a hold out on smartphones for a while and I used to print out k5 articles to read while afk... Just such an amazing collection of people sharing ideas and communal moderation, editing and up voting. I learned about so many wierd and wonderful things from that site.

Are there any spiritual successors?

Similar to jlokier's response, I ended up here after k5 went away. HN fills my geek interests pretty well, and over the last few years I've found that "long form video essays" on YT, audiobooks / podcasts fill my desire for learning about other random topics.

Re: Ask HN: Abandoned/dead projects you think died before their time and why?

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HP TouchPad Just on principle, I'd have liked to see it on the market for more than 49 days! It pains me as an engineer to think of the effort to bring a hardware device to market for such a minuscule run.

webOS was so ahead of its time, and seemed like it would have been a really strong contender to iPad OS.

Re: Ask HN: Abandoned/dead projects you think died before their time and why?

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Midori, Microsoft's capability-based security OS[1]. Rumor has it that it was getting to the point where it was able to run Windows code, so it was killed through internal politics, but who knows! It was the Fuchsia of its time... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midori_%28operating_system%29

Where did you hear it could run Windows code? Everything known about Midori publicly says the opposite, it was specifically designed at every point to be totally incompatible with all existing code. Maybe a few people on the Midori team fantasized about a migration path but it was never going to happen. Midori was designed from the start without migration in mind.
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