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Re: Ask HN: Are people in tech inside an AI echo chamber?

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It's easier than ever to be homeless and it's generally frowned upon to forcefully institutionalize the mentally ill these days.

Wish I'd known that it was difficult to become homeless back when I was. It seemed really easy at the time, all you had to do was get evicted. Not sure how it could be easier now.

I think what they meant was that it's easier than ever to be homeless.

In many places you can't be thrown in jail for being homeless anymore. Many cities have more housing and shelters and free kitchens than ever before. Some places even give you a smartphone and basic plan. Etc.

Re: Ask HN: Are people in tech inside an AI echo chamber?

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Staff software engineer here. Tech Company executives are going bananas over the potential of AI tools like ChatGPT without realizing it’s not where they expect it to be. My last position changed their entire organizational structure to focus on it and moved all of their tech jobs offshore because “GPT lets non-tech people code.”

Re: Ask HN: Are people in tech inside an AI echo chamber?

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I know a lot of people who are using ChatGPT who aren't in tech. My spouse works in early childhood education and they use ChatpGPT routinely for low-value boilerplate stuff (social media posts that no one reads, etc). A relative is in commercial real-estate management, and they also use ChatGPT routinely (in fact they started using it before I did). So I don't think it's an echo chamber.

My partner runs an ecommerce business and her team uses ChatGPT dozens of time a day. Everything from writing emails to suppliers, correcting grammar, responding to customers, brainstorming new product ideas, explaining contracts etc. Where as for me I can't find a use for it. Even as a coding assistant I find that I spent more time trying to understand/correct what it did than if I just wrote it myself.

I’m a software engineer and I use it everyday. I haven’t gone to StackOverflow in months. I use it like interactive documentation. I don’t even have to leave the terminal to use it as I have a cli tool called shell_gpt.

Re: Ask HN: Are people in tech inside an AI echo chamber?

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>puts it in a similar tier as crypto Comparisons between AI and crypto are horribly misguided IMO. Is AI overhyped? Sure. However - AI/ML is creating utility everywhere in our lives - speech to text, language translation, recommendation engines, relevancy ranking in search, computer vision, etc. and seems to be getting embedded in more and more processes by the day. Crypto never amounted to anything beyond a currency…

I hate to point this out but as a regular user, recommendation engines and search have not gotten better in the last, say, 10 years. (Although that may not be true in terms of selling advertising and propaganda, both of which I tend not to pay a lot of attention to.) Likewise, speech to text and language translation are more available, but they're still pretty bad. And computer vision is much better than 10 years ago…

I agree with you, but I started predicting an AI winter in like 2016. I thought the failure of self driving would kill it, but apparently not.

I've predicted 9 of the last 1 AI winters.

Re: Ask HN: Are people in tech inside an AI echo chamber?

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Well, I wonder what’s wrong more often: GPT or a 13 year old :)

Bet a 13 year old with total confidence in GPT beats them both individually on any subject of reasonable complexity.

That’s the thing. If a kid approaches learning with a language model responsibly, they stand to learn a lot very quickly and solve difficult problems that would otherwise be next to impossible for them.

The thing is, we need to teach them that today rather than tell them it’s cheating and try to catch them using it on essays and deal some kind of consequence.

I now use it professionally fairly regularly and it’s an easily justified expense. I’ve already delivered things to clients faster because of it. Most recently I reasoned through prototyping a sort of minimal CMS experience using a self hosted CMS API connected to Next.JS, and had a viable plan and prototype at the proposal stage in as much time as I’d normally just do the research on something like this.

If it’s feasible to accelerate learning and research for real world work, I think we should seriously consider how it integrates with education rather than encourage kids to avoid it entirely. Of course, we don’t have that awareness in our education workforce in Canada, but I wonder if it’s harmful to discourage the use entirely rather than accepting it and ensuring kids are still producing the work that’s expected. If it’s clearly GPT regurgitation with hallucinations and no bibliography, the kid has still failed to deliver. If they manage to do their work faster with technology (the main difference here is that they haven’t googled bunch of stuff, frankly) then great, they’re still learning something.

And of course, the more you tell kids not to use it, the more they’ll want to (which I’ve come to love, honestly).

Re: Ask HN: Are people in tech inside an AI echo chamber?

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The same could be said about the microprocessor or any other tech innovation throughout history. They all lead to new companies chasing investment dollars. Is there any insight from this observation?

> Is there any insight from this observation? Yes: be deeply skeptical of anyone claiming tech they are personally invested in is revolutionary.

If someone believes a technology is revolutionary, investing money in it is the most rational thing to do, right?

Re: Ask HN: Are people in tech inside an AI echo chamber?

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>puts it in a similar tier as crypto Comparisons between AI and crypto are horribly misguided IMO. Is AI overhyped? Sure. However - AI/ML is creating utility everywhere in our lives - speech to text, language translation, recommendation engines, relevancy ranking in search, computer vision, etc. and seems to be getting embedded in more and more processes by the day. Crypto never amounted to anything beyond a currency…

The thing is that the specific technologies behind all of those very practical improvements are not what's being hyped up this bubble. Speech recognition, for example, usually involves a lot of audio preprocessing, followed by some form of RNN/LSTM/Transformer to generate candidates, followed by beam search to score and choose from candidates. If you are a machine-learning practitioner, you should be familiar with al…

You're so so so right! Things practical in AI is not hyped.

OpenAI which is funded by Microsoft and promoted by Microsoft account executives creates hype as if it's open although nothing, including its so-called open-source Whisper, is open. People feeding Microsoft pretend that "they" are revolutionizing the world. NVIDIA and Microsoft are making money out of these large models and positioning the bigger as the better.

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> In a de-dollarizing world btc is a genuine factor. In practice, dedollarisarion has been about shifting to other major national currencies, like the yuan. Bitcoin doesn’t really feature. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dedollarisation

It doesn't need to handle much to be a large market because international trade and foreign exchange are so huge. If btc replaces 1% of fx it's doing $50B/day of transactions. Market cap of btc is only about $600M, so 100x btc is not crazy. Is a p2p transaction system with an auditable record attractive to 1% of fx transaction parties? Seems reasonable, especially when corrupt states are a counterparty.

> Market cap of btc is only about $600M

Isn't it $600000M ?

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Inequality is a red herring. Poverty is down. Have you looked for housing in Columbus, Ohio?

I’m sure there are plenty of ghost towns with housing sitting empty that could be had for a song too. That probably doesn’t help if your job, family, and friends are somewhere else.

Ghost town?

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/newsroom/news/intel-...

Re: Ask HN: Are people in tech inside an AI echo chamber?

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> having a hard time buying a house It's also much harder to get servants in that house. I wonder why...

I don't understand your comment.

if everything is so bad then it should be easier to find someone willing to work. But that's not the case today. Which means life today is probably not that bad.
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