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Ask HN: What's left for early startup engineers as the company grows?

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Re: Ask HN: What's left for early startup engineers as the company grows?

#71
I was in the same boat, not sure if I can give advice but I just took another corporate job while my company grows and I advise them and help where projects actually sound fun, otherwise I just don't care

In the meantime I work on building my own sellable tech.

Hope that helps, I'm working on a sweet e-commerce platform right now and building just little sellable tools

Re: Ask HN: What's left for early startup engineers as the company grows?

#72
I was in the same boat, not sure if I can give advice but I just took another corporate job while my company grows and I advise them and help where projects actually sound fun, otherwise I just don't care

In the meantime I work on building my own sellable tech.

Hope that helps, I'm working on a sweet e-commerce platform right now and building just little sellable tools

Re: Ask HN: What's left for early startup engineers as the company grows?

#73

You've got a bunch of options, depending on your interests and skills. You could be a repository-of-lore brilliant coder / guru. Sounds like this is roughly what the CEO has carved out for you right now. You could be CTO/Head of Engineering. You may or may not want this job or be suited to it, based on what you've said so far. You could sink down into the organization as a (hopefully) really rich mid-level engineer a…

> At some level, if you're a few years into vesting, and the company is successful, it may not significantly change your financial outcome to stay -- you have early stage stock in a successful startup.

somewhat related question - doesn't the huge taxes on the options exercise upon leaving make that huge difference between leaving and staying? How does people manage it? Doesn't it forces you to stay until the exit?

Re: Ask HN: What's left for early startup engineers as the company grows?

#76
post #73

You've got a bunch of options, depending on your interests and skills. You could be a repository-of-lore brilliant coder / guru. Sounds like this is roughly what the CEO has carved out for you right now. You could be CTO/Head of Engineering. You may or may not want this job or be suited to it, based on what you've said so far. You could sink down into the organization as a (hopefully) really rich mid-level engineer a…

> At some level, if you're a few years into vesting, and the company is successful, it may not significantly change your financial outcome to stay -- you have early stage stock in a successful startup. somewhat related question - doesn't the huge taxes on the options exercise upon leaving make that huge difference between leaving and staying? How does people manage it? Doesn't it forces you to stay until the exit?

I'm sure you're right there are some tax consequences; I'm definitely not an accountant, though.

In a friendly situation if the company is in good shape, there are probably lots of options, including some sort of buyback to get enough cash for the taxes, or finding an investor who'd like the shares. If the company isn't doing as well as advertised, those possiblities are probably harder to get sorted.

Re: Ask HN: What's left for early startup engineers as the company grows?

#79

One thing you need to come to grips is that regardless of how smart you are, the VP of engineering is probably someone that has a lot more experience and clout than you do. If they aren't, then the senior management of the company is terrible. If your company has grown to the size of 40-50 people, that's the time when they need real experience to help drive them forward. They can't take a chance on a great programmer…

Why is it acceptable for the Founder/CEO to continue leading the company at 40+ employees but not acceptable for the engineer to lead an engineering team at 40+ employees? Seems like a double standard.

One BIG reason to start your own company but never ever become an employee at a startup.

EDIT: The only benefit of working at startup (and a significant one) is to learn how startups work. If thats taken away from you then there is no point in risking your career.

Re: Ask HN: What's left for early startup engineers as the company grows?

#80

I'd focus on a repeating theme in your post, "and now they". This suggests that you already see a division between the management of the company and yourself. You haven't been part of the decision making process and feel that all possible angles have been locked out by an outside agency. How much feedback have you given to the company management that you would be interested in those positions before they where "taken…

That sounds good too, but aren't you presupposing that this course of things is normal. The OP is saying things turned out differently than expected, and such dissonance really bugs him. Why would he work harder to communicate when working hard has failed so poorly in the past? Second and third world people probably have similar problems too.

In my experience, what other people thought you communicated and what you thought communicated are often very far apart. Its an amazing thing, Humans are so good at communication but also so bad. I know with my significant other multiple times we have both got upset with each other for actions/inaction that we thought we had communicated with the other, when either we hadnt or hadnt clearly. We have been together for 10 years, and it still happens.

Communication is possibly the hardest thing to get right between two people, because it seems so effortless.

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