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Re: Ask HN: What are people doing to get off of VMware?

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Out of the loop: what's up with VMware?

Broadcom competing with Oracle for most hated company prize: https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/1jfumvw/broadcom_... https://www.theregister.com/2025/05/22/euro_cloud_body_ecco_...

Maybe Oracle can buy Broadcom and settle it

Re: Ask HN: What are people doing to get off of VMware?

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What’s next best alternative (regardless of cost)? Virtualbox Parallel Hyper-V Anything else? Which is best?

Hard to say much given we weren't given much info on how it'd be used.

E.g. Parallel's is only useful for people looking to run VMs locally on their Mac, but Hyper-V can be anything from that for a Windows PC to a full-blown headless hypervisor cluster with HA, shared volumes, replication, etc.

For several of the common categories, these are my takes:

- Traditional Enterprise: Nutanix [paid] if money is available, otherwise Hyper-V [paid] if a large Microsoft contract is already in place. If neither fit: fall through to acting like an SMB.

- SMB/Modern Mid-Sized Enterprise: Cloud [paid] only and/or Proxmox [free/paid]

- Tech Company: Doesn't matter, they'll do whatever sounds cool that year and make it work well enough

- Home Lab: Proxmox [free/paid]

- Windows PC: Hyper-V [free w/ Windows] (it's meh, but it's integrated - doubly so if you plan on using WSL on the side).

- Mac PC: Parallels [paid] if you need a GPU accelerated Windows guest, UTM [free] otherwise.

- Linux PC: QEMU+KVM [free], the choice of (optional) GUI client is up to preference.

Some extra notes by solution:

- Nutanix: Enterprises were staring to use this more and more even prior to the VMware sale. It's definitely the spiritual successor of traditional VMware usage in the data center. A bit less full of themselves, for now at least, than VMware ever managed to keep themselves (IMO).

- Proxmox: Has a bit of a habit of feeling like it always ends up a little broken by the time you've used an install/cluster for 6 months, but is by far the best option for the homelabber type use case (even ignoring that it's free as a reason). It's basically like someone configured KVM with what you want to be able to just (try to) use it without thinking about what's underneath, while still having access to the underneath to un-stick it in certain situations. Also does host-native containers! I never did have the guts to pitch my company try to run anything production on a cluster, but they do have reasonably priced support plans and advanced feature tiers for that.

- Parallels: Kind of sucks for the price, but there isn't anything else on macOS with the same GPU acceleration for Windows.

- Hyper-V: I think this is mostly still around because it helps Microsoft stay sticky at companies when the yearly renewal comes up. That said, it's alright - and it's also integrated into Windows in some pretty nifty ways for local use these days.

- UTM: Fantastic QEMU client for macOS, worth giving a few bucks for even though it's free.

Re: Ask HN: What are people doing to get off of VMware?

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Broadcom turned up the heat on our pot fast enough that we’re evacuating over to proxmox. I and several others in IT had run it at home for a while, so when Broadcom made the definite losses to continue on VMWare far higher than the likely losses from any migration outage, it became a no-brainer to migrate.

Migrating part of the farm and A/B testing shows good results and we’ll be able to complete it in-place before the next pizzo payment to Broadcom is due.

Thanks for the nudge, Broadcom! As far as I’m concerned, Broadcom and Oracle are tied for first on my “do not voluntarily do business with” list. Equaling Oracle in this way is a feat…

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I'm with a block storage vendor that works with a lot of companies migrating off VMware, and the diversity of KVM-based cloud management platforms we're seeing is fascinating. We have customers moving to OpenNebula, CloudStack, Proxmox, OpenStack, HP VME, Oracle Virtualization, and even some homegrown solutions. The common thread is that they're all looking for a storage backend that is not tied to a specific hypervi…

Openstack second wind was definitelly not on my 2020s bingo card. But I agree kvm solutions have a lot of momentum.

Re: Ask HN: What are people doing to get off of VMware?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You asked for an Enterprise SLA. Not all Enterprise SLAs are 24/7. IM(Professional)E, most are not 24/7. Any serious enterprise software or hardware company absolutely has a 24/7 support option. They all have a base option that is not 24/7 for a significantly lower price. There’s no way you’re replacing VMware in any company of any size without 24/7 support.

Microsoft seems perfectly capable of advertising 24/7 support whilst never managing to call back within 24 hours on business crippling sev1 tickets. Just look at how often someone on /r/sysadmin is shocked to find this is the norm. I know thst youre right about the wording turning off orgs but I do wonder when the biggest enterprise organisation can barely offer it in practice what really is the show stopper for busi…

They suck balls.

The trap is you need Microsoft support training & strategy. If you buy unified and open a sev a, they just fuck around and assign an engineer from Antartica who works from 3AM-6:20AM Mongolian time, then reassign at 6:19AM to dude in Japan to reset their 2 hour SLA for the incident manager. In general, if you are big, you're better off buying Premier from a partner, and declaring a crit sit. Many issues are fixable by less dumb third party L2 techs, and you can leverage the partner's juice with Microsoft to get somebody. You have the ability to inflict real pain on the reseller, but all Microsoft will do for a strategic customer is send some VP of something to apologize profusely at great length and suggest the more staff meet with your TAM/CSM so they can get a dramatic reading of a powerpoint. Companies like this only understand pain, so you need leverage.

Microsoft is uniquely bad at this type of stuff. Anyone committing serious infrastructure where bad things are gonna happen when it goes down is insane for using HyperV. But you're also insane expecting a small reseller of some small company to pull your chestnuts out of the fire.

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Non-Profit Liberal Arts Higher Ed here. Trying to move to the Azure Hybrid Cloud as fast as possible. Going to have to eat one more year of 170% price hike in our current VMware contract.

Heard from a peer school on the east coast that had to sign a 600% hike in their most recent contract. Absolutely evil.

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Mostly bitching to corporate IT to make it possible to use alternative tools and workflows. Not kidding, that’s the main blocker. We have the DevOps knowledge on our team to go to containers, prepackaged dev environments, etc. But corporate cyber tends to respond to our requests to discuss cyber policy and escalate via proper channels with “sorry that’s against policy”. This is not my experience at one company but mu…

3rd party trust is not a joke. Why should they drop what they're doing to go and audit a new critical vendor?

Because the old “trusted” vendor is now absurdly expensive and switching to another one helps increase profit? E.g. why did organizations switch from bare metal to virtualization in the first place?
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