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Re: Ask HN: What's the best hackable smart TV?

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I long for a Framework-like TV.

Can you expand here? What are you looking for in specific?

I think I have a framework-like TV. It's a high end TV set to store mode which has no smartOS annoyances. From there, I have expansion modules (they connect via HDMI) like a HDFury Vertex with CFW, Nvidia Shield, PS5, etc.

Decoupling the TV from the OS has helped a ton with longetivity

What more are you looking for?

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It disables smart features and many of the settings making it more like a dumb HDMI screen. This may seem like a good thing, but it also usually enables a "vibrant" postprocessing picture mode, motion smoothing, and maximum brightness so the display looks good in a well lit big box store. Unless your viewing environment is similar (or you don't care so much) that's probably not what you want.

Motion smoothing is awful.

I've always thought this feature might have more potential if more modern deep-learning tech was baked into the video and not just dumb frame interpolation.

I can imagine that there would be a potential to generate interpolated frames that intelligently make fast-moving scenes more understandable while leaving slow-moving scenes more or less at their intended 24 FPS.

Many action movies, especially with close hand-to-hand combat in tight spaces, are difficult to understand visually because 24 FPS just doesn't quite catch the movements.

Re: Ask HN: What's the best hackable smart TV?

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TVs are much cheaper than monitors. They are produced in larger numbers and their lower price is enabled by spying and advertising.

Agree, but also, much worse image quality. Put a, for example 32" TV and a monitor one next to each other, set native resolution, put up a screen with a lot of text, and you'll see - the difference is night and day.

TV panels optimize for viewing video (including subtitles) NOT for text-intensive work.

So you find that TV panels are much larger at lower price points than computer monitors because they serve different purposes.

Re: Ask HN: What's the best hackable smart TV?

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Do recommend the LG C series (C5 or C4 are new or the C1 series if you want a deal on classifieds - same hardware as the higher end models but needs a firmware bit flip). The OS is very rootable and it makes a great TV that doubles as a monitor. Supports free sync / g-sync. OLED is nice at this scale. Text is very readable, refresh rate is good. It uses the same panels as the fancier G series in the larger sizes. One…

> same hardware as the higher end models but needs a firmware bit flip Is this firmware bit flip known? couldn't find anything off google.

https://cani.rootmy.tv/

Re: Ask HN: What's the best hackable smart TV?

#75

Any smart TV where some hacker could install its own build of the OS ? Kinda like LineageOS for smart TV ?

Not per se a TV, but it is worth pointing out that LineageOS literally has builds for some set top boxes; if I go to https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/ and filter to device type > set top box, then it lists 7 options.

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I have Sony Bravia TV that has Android TV so I went looking for the docs to confirm you can enable developer mode, access adb, and sideload apps. While looking at the docs I discovered I can load HTML5 apps from USB! I never knew that but I'm going to do some experimentation in the near future. https://pro-bravia.sony.net/develop/app/getting-started/inde...

There is also a Sony Bravia integration for Home Assistant (using the REST API that's in almost all Bravia TVs).

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/braviatv/

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You're missing out on resolution (4K) and picture quality (HDR, contrast ratios, color gamut) improvements by doing this. Not everyone suffers from FOMO. I've only seen one movie that was worth the bother and expense of seeing it in 4K (Rear Window). The rest of the things you mention are mostly for a very small slice of theoretical people with perfect vision in perfectly lit rooms at the perfect height and viewing a…

Rear Window? A movie from 1954? Can you explain how that was better in 4K when the footage isn't even 4K?

The footage is analog (on film). It was shot with 0 pixels, so 4k pixels on an edge doesn't matter. Side note, footage itself is a term derived from film (how many feet of film).

You can scan film into whatever digital resolution you want. You could do an 8k scan if you felt like it. You might run into issues where the resolving power of the film is less than the scan, but 4k is not an unreasonable resolution to pull out of well lit studio shot movie stock.

Re: Ask HN: What's the best hackable smart TV?

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Are you using it over Ethernet or WiFi? I remember I tried Moonlight to a local computer two or three years ago over Ethernet and the latency was still too bad, any ideas if that's better today?

Moonlight works flawlessly for me and I use FreeBSD as a daily driver. Of all OSes to play games. UnRaid + KVM VM + GPU Passthrough with Moonlight has meant I no longer have to dual boot to game. 60FPS at 1080p on a 4k screen. 4k struggles but I think that's more my GPU then anything else. I do have 2x of them.

I'm assuming you don't play many games with anticheat though since they'd flag it running in a VM

Re: Ask HN: What's the best hackable smart TV?

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I bought a Hisense model from Costco and set it to "store mode". For all practical purposes, it is just a dumb HDMI display attached to my computer.

What does store mode do?

This is interesting to me. I never heard of "store mode". Is that common for "smart TVs" these days? My interest here is for my elderly mother who tries to watch TV, but her current LG is constantly bombarding her with notifications for software updates, recommendations and ads. It's very frustrating for her; it's to the point where she's afraid to turn on the TV.

I want a TV for her that will power-on directly to YouTube-TV, and that's it, nothing else, no notifications, nothing.

Re: Ask HN: What's the best hackable smart TV?

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You're missing out on resolution (4K) and picture quality (HDR, contrast ratios, color gamut) improvements by doing this.

My experience with HDR has been pretty abysmal on a $500 4K TV. Badly tuned HDR is way worse than no HDR at all. I have 20/20 vision, and I really can't tell the difference between 1080p and 4K for video games and movies. I will never do below 4k again on a desktop, but 1080p is more than fine for a TV. Higher framerate makes a far bigger difference than higher resolution for video games too.

Whether 4k is worth it depends a lot on the size of the TV vs how far away you sit. For a 65" TV, I don't see much difference between 4k/1080p above ~8ft away.

HDR is indeed effectively a marketing gimmick on many cheap TVs. They are getting better though

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