I think that Firefox remains the best option. Their moves over the last few years have reduced their privacy proposition, but I'm still unaware of any better alternative.
Ask HN: With trust in Firefox gone, is Chrome-ish the only option?
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Re: Ask HN: With trust in Firefox gone, is Chrome-ish the only option?
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
> in part fueled by Brendan Eich I don't get why you needed to mention this, when the story became viral before Brendan Eich communicated it. Do you feel that people misunderstood that, in fact, Mozilla does intend to sell user data? Note that I'm still using and advocating for Firefox, I just found this offtopic attack odd.
I thought his attack on Firefox was a little unbecoming, while also forgetting to mention that he's a competitor (and his product is not free). Mozilla is apparently run by corporate drones who made a blunder (as drones do). It happens. They corrected it. No need to attack or dismiss Firefox in general. Firefox is excellent.
> They corrected it.
Well, if by "corrected" you mean "acknowledged that the public perception of the change was correct", then I agree.
That said, I agree that Firefox is still the least worst option.
Re: Ask HN: With trust in Firefox gone, is Chrome-ish the only option?
#73OP here. I never intended to "rage bait" or something. With "Chrome-ish" i ment Chromium-based browsers. That's what i ment by "it feels like basically everything is Chrome nowadays". My question was: Taking FF out of the equation, which browsers except Chromium-Based ones are out there?
There are 3 major web browser engines out there atm, WebKit, Blink and Gecko. Gecko is developed by Mozilla, Blink by Google and WebKit by Apple. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_web_browsers#WebKit-...
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Re: Ask HN: With trust in Firefox gone, is Chrome-ish the only option?
#74Just keep using Firefox or a fork like Zen.
The idea that using a chrome fork is somehow better is ridiculous.
Re: Ask HN: With trust in Firefox gone, is Chrome-ish the only option?
#75Orion uses webkit, not sponsored by ad revenue
> webkit, not sponsored by ad revenue It is — AFAIK, Google pays Apple enough money for the default search engine deal to cover Safari development along with all its components.
Does Apple do most Webkit development too, not just Safari? I thought it was originally spun off from KHTML. Did Apple take over most of the development at some point?
Re: Ask HN: With trust in Firefox gone, is Chrome-ish the only option?
#76The rhetoric around Firefox is so exhausting. They change some wording while having made no actual technical changes to the browser and the internet is on fire for days calling them the devil incarnate, meanwhile Chrome gutted uBlock and other extensions a week ago and there was barely any noise about it. What causes this phenomenon where the project with significantly less resources is held to a higher standard than…
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Re: Ask HN: With trust in Firefox gone, is Chrome-ish the only option?
#77The rhetoric around Firefox is so exhausting. They change some wording while having made no actual technical changes to the browser and the internet is on fire for days calling them the devil incarnate, meanwhile Chrome gutted uBlock and other extensions a week ago and there was barely any noise about it. What causes this phenomenon where the project with significantly less resources is held to a higher standard than…
Well, no one (sane) has any illusions left about chrome. But FF was supposed to remain the shiny counterexample (despite acting also shady since years).
It is still the least worse option. These posts like OP is just throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Re: Ask HN: With trust in Firefox gone, is Chrome-ish the only option?
#78This is a silly statement. Mozilla revised the terms almost a week ago after people complained: https://indianexpress.com/article/technology/tech-news-techn...
Re: Ask HN: With trust in Firefox gone, is Chrome-ish the only option?
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
Mozilla revenue in 2014, the year eich was made ceo: $329.6M Mozilla revenue in 2015, having “gone woke” and fired him: $421.3M Go woke go earn 28% more, i guess?
Not to throw this discussion on too long a tangent, but this honestly reads in exactly the same way as fawning comments about Putin "saving his country" by presiding over a period of record-high oil prices. On the bright side, he and his cronies didn't steal absolutely everything, and some scraps made it to the rest of the population. Mozilla's leadership is a cancer that will kill it, and will take the work of many…
Listen, mozilla's got problems - we can agree on that, and you don't need to compare me to a putin apologist to make that point.
But "go woke go broke" is dumb sloganeering and plainly false. It's not a description of how the world works - it's a call to arms to boycott things labeled "woke". Sometimes things labeled "woke" do well because of their "wokeness", other times the anti-"woke" backlash kills them. Plenty of things "go woke" without ever being labeled "woke". Plenty of non-"woke" things go broke.
Either way, my only real point in citing revenue numbers is to point out that ten years after the whole Eich debacle, mozilla's still not broke. Seems like maybe their problems are unrelated to "wokeness".
Re: Ask HN: With trust in Firefox gone, is Chrome-ish the only option?
#80The rhetoric around Firefox is so exhausting. They change some wording while having made no actual technical changes to the browser and the internet is on fire for days calling them the devil incarnate, meanwhile Chrome gutted uBlock and other extensions a week ago and there was barely any noise about it. What causes this phenomenon where the project with significantly less resources is held to a higher standard than…
> What causes this phenomenon where the project with significantly less resources is held to a higher standard than the other players? Hm, my lived experience is the inverse, and both seem sort of important to talk about. We've been hearing about Chrome implementing the same privacy protections as Safari as a transgression for years, years, and years, as it was delayed again and again. It was ex-Mozilla people who br…
> We've been hearing about Chrome implementing the same privacy protections as Safari as a transgression for years, years, and years, as it was delayed again and again.
Well Apple didn’t turn around and try to push the Topics API..
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Topics_API
(Just to be clear. Mozilla is opposed to it too. They are just documenting it and don’t plan to implement the API)