personally, as a retired psychotherapist Be very wary of ADHD diagnosis, The consequences are huge and have a massive impact on childrens lives. I hate all ADHD diagnoses, for me I have always seen just naughty children who need time to develop at their own pace and not develop at someone else's pace or for the benefit of any school cariculum or parental needs. Do not give any child medication to control ADHD, why wo…
Ask HN: My 12 year-old nephew just got diagnosed with ADHD, any advice?
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Re: Ask HN: My 12 year-old nephew just got diagnosed with ADHD, any advice?
#72Hey there, M33, got diagnosed adult with late 31, so take what I say with a grain of salt. I have immediately had access to both medication as well as ADHD focussed psychotherapy. ADHD is the best treatable neurological condition of all with medication and if you can have access to where you live, it's the first route I'd try to access. Once you have access to meds, nobody can require you to take them as prescribed t…
> For me and others I've met with ADHD, reinforcing strengths through receiving motivating rewards is THE system that works. Do you have any specific examples of what that could look like? I have tasks I’m motivated to do, but introducing rewards for ones that I’m not motivated for always feels artificial
Psychotherapy sometimes feels artificial since if what works would feel natural or obvious, well... we wouldn't need therapy, which is a handcrafted intervention (n=1). This is *really* important to remember while you are trying to improve/do therapy. More on this later [1].
A better mental model for reward-based interventions is to think about your inner "reptile brain" as a weighted graph that connects things (stimuli) with emotions and behaviors. Those connections are mostly learned throughout your life (and therefore "artificial"). And your brain is trying to find the happiest (and laziest) path in this graph.
A very motivated person tends to have a great graph that connects stimuli like "answering emails at 9:00 with music" to "happiness" or "hitting the gym" with "muscle soreness" and with "happiness with realization" and "tasting the morning coffee."
If your lazy, hedonistic, dopamine-maximizing brain does not have a path from the behaviors you want to create (e.g., answering emails) to something pleasant, it will be hard to make that a habit.
In a very explicit way, this sometimes looks like a point system. But don't think about the points. You have two very important tasks:
1. Find your "natural" rewards: coffee, watching TV shows, going for a walk, whatever you want to do, sex. And don't forget about internal rewards: self-respect, pride, nice words for yourself. Add to the mix social rewards: share your achievements... Each person is more sensitive to a different set of rewards. Find yours and pick the ones that make sense for your life context.
2. Make those rewards contingent on your goals. For example, I try to answer important emails first thing in the morning, especially those I want to avoid, and after that I go out for a small walk or have some tea.
Over time, you will internalize that conditioned (artificial) emotion for tasks that before felt horrible. Like many are able to feel nice when they have muscle soreness, because it was conditioned over time to something nice: social reward, internal/verbal rewards, techno music, whatever.
Don't forget to be nice to yourself, start simple with small goals, forgive yourself if you don't hit every goal at the beginning.
[1] Understanding this helps a lot in therapy or "self-intervention" because if you don't understand basic behavioral intervention and why it works, sometimes the intervention itself seems childish or stupid, and that hurts the efficacy. There is a huge body of research that shows that if the patient understands the therapy and has a mental model of it, it works like magic because we change from "I am doing stupid things because my therapist is saying them" to "I am nailing this, what a behavioral change I am making. That's great—in a few weeks I will be able to do X."
Re: Ask HN: My 12 year-old nephew just got diagnosed with ADHD, any advice?
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
Symptoms don't mean what you seem to think they mean. Medical issues related to toxic exposure are medical issues, not something that can be resolved by psychotherapy. See my other post on how to find those reliable sources, or just ask your doctor if this ever happens.
Syptoms in the context of ADHD mean exactly what I think they mean. ADHD is irreversible, it's not something that can be reversed or goes away on its own. There is literature on a link between fetal heavy metal exposure and ADHD development. I can't find anything on neurotoxins "mimicking" ADHD. Again, by the very biological definition of what happens in a brain on ADHD, this is not reversible. It's chronic. Sources:…
Re: Ask HN: My 12 year-old nephew just got diagnosed with ADHD, any advice?
#74Second, medicine is helpful, but it's not a panacea. Also, two common ADHD medicines in the US face FDA-imposed shortages, so prepare for many calls to the pharmacy.
Also, ADHD is not just hyperactivity and attention--it impacts emotional regulation, impulse control, task initiation, time management, and other things related to executive functioning.
Finally, ADHD isn't bad. I like to think of it as an insanely strong, overenthusiastic hippopotamus--if you work with it and get to know it better, you will be able to have a hippopotamus friend, which sounds handy, but there's always the risk of it getting a little too excited and breaking stuff.
Re: Ask HN: My 12 year-old nephew just got diagnosed with ADHD, any advice?
#75First of all, ADHD is often co-ocurring with other things, like autism. Second, medicine is helpful, but it's not a panacea. Also, two common ADHD medicines in the US face FDA-imposed shortages, so prepare for many calls to the pharmacy. Also, ADHD is not just hyperactivity and attention--it impacts emotional regulation, impulse control, task initiation, time management, and other things related to executive function…
The biggest limitation I have observed with poorly managed ADHD is short-term memory management. Everything else might be a more obvious social indicator, but nothing impairs real world performance like forgetting things in the short term. It means things get lost, tasks remain unfulfilled, instructions get jumbled.
If through regular practice you can teach an ADHD child to improve this everything else gets better as well. You aren't going to fix the brain of a child with ADHD but you can teach solution management and coping strategies through repetition. Its the same with dyslexia in that you aren't curing the dyslexia but instead teaching how to circumvent it.
ADHD can be a super power. Focusing on multiple things simultaneously is really draining, but people with ADHD tend to perform this well so long as they can remain consistently engaged. That is a fantastic capability for operations jobs.
Re: Ask HN: My 12 year-old nephew just got diagnosed with ADHD, any advice?
#76Beyond meds and various coping skills that may be taught via therapy or advice on the internet, I have a nutritional approach that I found to be helpful as an adjuvant to meds. Meds like adderall or provigil tend to be demanding on the brain neurochemistry, so supporting the biochemistry becomes an important part of the strategy, rather than continually going back to the doctor to bump up the dose. Mostly focus on Om…
Updated my email in my bio, and also you don't have an email address in your bio. I see you also are interested on ADHD. I also was diagnosed with adult ADHD relatively recently. I'm in the process of finding what works for me. I'm interested in your supplement-based approach. I mostly overlooked it till now, basing my treatment approach mostly on the last ADDitude survey (https://www.additudemag.com/adhd-treatments-scorecard-medica...)
> Meds like adderall or provigil tend to be demanding on the brain neurochemistry, so supporting the biochemistry becomes an important part of the strategy, rather than continually going back to the doctor to bump up the dose.
Can you explain what you mean by this? Do the meds lead to overconsumption of scarce chemical resources in the brain?
I'd be glad if we could get in touch via email.
Re: Ask HN: My 12 year-old nephew just got diagnosed with ADHD, any advice?
#77First of all, ADHD is often co-ocurring with other things, like autism. Second, medicine is helpful, but it's not a panacea. Also, two common ADHD medicines in the US face FDA-imposed shortages, so prepare for many calls to the pharmacy. Also, ADHD is not just hyperactivity and attention--it impacts emotional regulation, impulse control, task initiation, time management, and other things related to executive function…
This is super spot on. The biggest limitation I have observed with poorly managed ADHD is short-term memory management. Everything else might be a more obvious social indicator, but nothing impairs real world performance like forgetting things in the short term. It means things get lost, tasks remain unfulfilled, instructions get jumbled. If through regular practice you can teach an ADHD child to improve this everyth…
...This was accidental and not me intentionally forgetting about memory.
Re: Ask HN: My 12 year-old nephew just got diagnosed with ADHD, any advice?
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Don't give drugs, they can permanently mess up his mind. This is common and good advice. Ritalin at one point was prescribed for ADD and ADHD, Kurt Cobain ended up dying by suicide as a result of complications from his use of the drug. Spectrum disorders have been used for the past 20+ years as catchall diagnoses. There have been many stories of people who were diagnosed with these disorders, when in fact they were…
>Kurt Cobain ended up dying by suicide as a result of complications from his use of the drug. Oof... you skipped right over the Heroin part of that equation.
Re: Ask HN: My 12 year-old nephew just got diagnosed with ADHD, any advice?
#79I firmly believe the acronym is incorrect. It is not a deficit; it is an advantage in some ways. I'm a software dev.. Been so for > 30 years, and I can tell you that ADD is a super power. ADD is not so much that you cannot pay attention. It's that you pay deep attention to the "wrong" things. I bet if you sit your nephew in front of a video game they disappear into it. This getting into the zone like flipping a switc…
“Deficit” is context dependent.
Re: Ask HN: My 12 year-old nephew just got diagnosed with ADHD, any advice?
#80From my experience as a parent of a 11 year old with ADHD: - we start the diagnosis process because he was very depressed as being bad at school, everything was hard, while there was no need. - meds are fantastic, they let all his qualities shine. They do require some experimentation at the beginning. At the beginning I was not at ease with giving him meds, but it turns out there's no lasting effect, and the differen…
> others hinted it is also a strength, with lots of great qualities and intense emotions. The universe can take our "strengths" back. I'd give anything to get rid of this disorder. The reality is that people can have strengths and great qualities despite ADHD and not because of ADHD. I do appreciate the encouragement and reassurance of your message, but I do believe such talk only downplays the true severity of ADHD.…
I'd like to be a bit positive anyway, because it gives more agency. My own experience is that by knowing how ADHD works, one can use it to focus on where it shines and avoid where it's definitely not great. People aware of their strengthes and weaknesses, whatever they are, are so much more effective.
The strong emotions, the energy from novelty, even the erratic curiosity are powerful capabilities in the right context : - fuel on anger to speak your mind when an inappropriate situation occurs and no one dares - use your energy to Kickstart new projects, and then give them to someone else to finish - emergencies often require to look everywhere before the root cause is found - etc
It would be easier without the emotional roller-coaster and focusing mayhem, but I'm convinced I couldn't do those things so well without ADHD .
To finish, I wish you all the best!