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Ask HN: Generative AI Courses for Artists
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#72It's emotional. Fix that first. I can draw well. But I don't associate my identity with it. So I am not an artist. I write well but I am not a writer. I am happy to delegate these forms of work to AI, the same way I'll delegate laundry to washing machines. For someone who calls themselves an artist, their identity is centered around their ability to draw. Photographers will use editing tools. Most don't mind tools. A…
True Artists don't feel it like work they feel it something like selfexpression creativity. :)
the very idea that art requiring a significant amount of deliberate action is a problem to be overcome and not part of what makes it fulfilling-- like artists have just been practicing to so they can produce more work more quickly-- betrays a foundational lack of understanding of why people do it.
Re: Ask HN: Generative AI Courses for Artists
#73This is an awfully political thread. It might be helpful to distinguish between capital-A “ART” and professional “art” — like animators, illustrators, UI designers, etc.
What, exactly, distinguishes those two categories?
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#74I believe the photoshop ai integration will be the most seamless starting point. I personally am waiting to get a 4090 to do more graphical work later locally.
The photoshop integration is one of the only tools that was developed even considering what people that work with images want to do with it.
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#75I’m a technical artist, so wielding tech to make art is my thing. I come from a dev background but just graduated from art school this year. I reckon there are some hurdles to overcome before seeing a lot of non-technical generative AI imaging uptake among advanced and professional artists. A) most of these tools UIs aren’t useful to traditional artists in any part of the direct creation process yet, B) the prompt-ba…
Exhibit A for technical people alienating artists: this comment section. Why in the world would an artist willingly interact with a group of people that said these sorts of dismissive, hostile, arrogant things about their practices and professions? It's ridiculous.
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#76That’s the point of generative AI, though, isn’t it? You put in text, you get out an image, no more need for discernment or skill or labor. No amount of explanation of vector math will change the fact that article headers can now be generated from the article, or you can say “give me a spaceman on a planet looking at twin moons” and a Steam game header is generated with some basic cropping. Incidental and corporate a…
> That’s the point of generative AI, though, isn’t it? You put in text, you get out an image, no more need for discernment or skill or labor. The best tools in this space are spatial editors and node editors. Text is weak sauce. Also, you can't use text modalities for film and 3D. It has to be art tooling to get good results. Artists will always have a job. They'll just be doing way more than they were before.
The fact that this comment is gray says everything that you need to know about this entire comment thread. A tiny slice of people that know what they're talking about and a giant stack of people drunk on dunning-krueger-fueled overconfidence in their understanding of art, on philosophical, practical, and professional levels thinking they've got the authoritative word because it's just so dang loud in the echo chamber. The tendency for technical people to think they can outmaneuver subject matter experts on their own terf with a few a priori thought experiments has always annoyed the hell out of me, but I can confidently say there has never been a more frustrating time to be both a professional artist and software developer.
Re: Ask HN: Generative AI Courses for Artists
#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
True Artists don't feel it like work they feel it something like selfexpression creativity. :)
the very idea that art requiring a significant amount of deliberate action is a problem to be overcome and not part of what makes it fulfilling-- like artists have just been practicing to so they can produce more work more quickly-- betrays a foundational lack of understanding of why people do it.
To put it one way, some mine blocks as art, some carve sculptures as art. Some build walls as art, some build buildings as art.
The ones building buildings and carving statues want machines to do the work of gathering the resources. Those who make games and movies want graphics and audio.
To the pixel artists, getting their drawing in a game is part of the art, but to the game dev, working with a pixel artist may be a chore.
We'll see a lot of reshifting of these forms of art - the pixel artist will be able to use AI to make games or variations and such, and may find art in becoming an art director instead.
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
the very idea that art requiring a significant amount of deliberate action is a problem to be overcome and not part of what makes it fulfilling-- like artists have just been practicing to so they can produce more work more quickly-- betrays a foundational lack of understanding of why people do it.
To put it one way, some mine blocks as art, some carve sculptures as art. Some build walls as art, some build buildings as art. The ones building buildings and carving statues want machines to do the work of gathering the resources. Those who make games and movies want graphics and audio. To the pixel artists, getting their drawing in a game is part of the art, but to the game dev, working with a pixel artist may be…
Yeah I’m a tech artist— I definitely see the commercial appeal and as someone that traversed a pretty smooth gradient from dev to design over a couple of years, I’m very familiar with what the majority of developers think about designers.
But it’s really hard to overstate just how badly these takes misunderstand art as an entity. So much “as a super brain genius developer, I know that true art is [glib definition that excludes nearly all artists] so any true artist must think X about AI, so if you don’t think that, you’re not a true artist and I can feel good about ignoring any reasonable ethical business boundaries.”
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#79This is an awfully political thread. It might be helpful to distinguish between capital-A “ART” and professional “art” — like animators, illustrators, UI designers, etc.
What, exactly, distinguishes those two categories?
One is about creating utility for others and the other is about personal expression or beauty for its own sake