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Re: Ask HN: Modern day equivalent to HyperCard?

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Scratch is far better and deeper than most people think. It's also interesting because the developer interface forces thinking for yourself on things like how to manage complexity in your project, or how to get different modules to communicate - and that's useful (if only helpers thought to point that out). It's very unlikely the school is digging deep in Scratch. Most likely they are keeping to the very basics - and…

> A web browser and javascript is fine too. There seem to be many online environments where you can type your {html, css, javascript} code and run it. For example, MDN has one at https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/play (Unfortunately it has advertisements... which I suppose is incentive to learn how to use custom stylesheets.) I wish there were an offline environment like that built into firefox. You can bring up a…

> I wish there were an offline environment like that built into firefox

Webmaker[1] isn't built in, but it does offer an offline code playground

[1] https://webmaker.app/

Re: Ask HN: Modern day equivalent to HyperCard?

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Surprised no one has mentioned Squeek Etoys? If its good enough for Alan Kay...? Or has Scratch completely superceded it? http://www.squeakland.org/

EToys and Scratch were made by the same people but with different goals. EToys was made to allow children to express scientific ideas while Scratch was made to allow the participants of MIT's Media Lab computer clubhouses to express themselves creatively as part of the remix culture.

In EToys, as in the earlier Vivarium project, children were supposed to create all their own objects from scratch (ironically). In Scratch the use of clip art, scanned material and other people's project is encouraged. In fact, "scratch" is a dj term for a certain way of mixing music. I can't find the exact definition since Google insists on pointing me to the software instead.

Re: Ask HN: Modern day equivalent to HyperCard?

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Given so many HyperCard-like product exists - why is it that none have taken off and become common like HyperCard once was? What is missing or has changed?

HyperCard itself would not have had the role it did if Apple hadn't bundled it with every Mac. This is sort of like the Basic that came with older computers - any language that you had to get separately would get a tiny fraction of the popularity of the default option.

Re: Ask HN: Modern day equivalent to HyperCard?

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1. Decker is the closest modern equivalent https://beyondloom.com/decker/ 2. Bubble is easy for non-coders. https://bubble.io/ 3. Gambas BASIC is a bit more technical, but will give you hard 90's vibes (Linux only) https://gambas.sourceforge.net/en/main.html I think the advent of LLMs might make these types of tools more accessible to non-coders, or at least I hope so.

Thanks for sending me down the Decker rabbit hole. Another 4 hours of my life vanished, but I had a great time. The retro look covering a really interesting language has me hooked.

Re: Ask HN: Modern day equivalent to HyperCard?

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Are there any good starter kits that you'd recommend on the hardware side that work well with the software stack you all use?

Also onterested

VEXIQ is what we use. It has a little sister called VexGO it’s limit is the 4 channel brain. All of the mechanical parts are interchangeable, so do some VexGO, then add more motors, sensors, etc with VexIQ

Re: Ask HN: Modern day equivalent to HyperCard?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also onterested

VEXIQ is what we use. It has a little sister called VexGO it’s limit is the 4 channel brain. All of the mechanical parts are interchangeable, so do some VexGO, then add more motors, sensors, etc with VexIQ

Thanks for the pointer, these look awesome (not cheap, but well designed to not be too frustrating for kids).

Trying to figure out if it can handle proper full res camera input, looks like the optical sensor is a bit limited. Maybe these ports don't have enough bandwidth, tho. EDIT: Looks like the Exp level has the "AI Vision Sensor"

Re: Ask HN: Modern day equivalent to HyperCard?

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I was a HyperCarder too.

I would say the answer is none of the below/above...

GDevelop is an app for making games. Your son will love it. It has a very cute visual programming language, not too far from Scratch.

I watched a few 10 minute tutorial videos and "got it"... you two will too.

p.s No connection to the company.

Re: Ask HN: Modern day equivalent to HyperCard?

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The web is distributed HyperCard. A website is basically a hypercard stack (albeit more text-centric than bitmap-centric) it's visual, card/page based, scriptable, and hyperlinked.

Get him to put together a hello world page from scratch and get it published on a live domain and he will be hooked for life.

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