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Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else bearish on OpenAI?

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Post by alchemist1e9 »

jprete wrote: post #57
alchemist1e9 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the meaning of life? When will humans live in space? Why am I depressed? When will world war III happen? Compute this math equation (function calling and compute engines will help with this)

If you are really claiming that these are the questions that people are asking when they say ChatGPT isn't useful, then...that is an unbelievably blatant straw man.

I’ve seen non-technical people ask the strangest questions that really don’t have a problem they are trying to solve or brainstorm. They think it’s just a game or fun joke tool and want to try and get it to say something silly.

The technical people who reject it are quite curious psychologically, my personal suspicion is they are threatened by it. They get hung up on small hallucinations and then almost get giddy when it produces something “wrong” in some way. I don’t understand why they fail to understand it’s crazy importance, I mean it’s read everything and without an agenda other that the material it was feed, no twisted incentives. They things I’ve had it do with me are mind blowing, my guess is the people who understand it and how to leverage it will increase their own productivity so much that it will reshape economies and put many people out of work that don’t learn how to use it.

Definitely the most revolutionary development of my life, as I approach 50 and have been coding since 12, and believe it or not but working professionally coding since I was 19. Internet and iphone have nothing on this development with LLMs.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else bearish on OpenAI?

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Post by fragmede »

aprdm wrote: post #69
theossuary wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In all honesty I've only been using InstantClaude so far due to the larger context window being something I'd want down the line. What should I be using in your opinion to get the best results? Examples I can think of where it gave wrong info was: - I asked to compare the size of the MacBook m1 and the 16" framework laptops - I asked how to add the nixpgs-unstable channel in NixOS. - I asked to help write a power she…

I don't know, I've only used chatgtp 3.5, haven't tried other things. Out of your questions I would think only the last one would be a good fit. The first one is open ended and I don't think M1 came before the "cut date of knowledge" in chatgtp. The 2nd one is too niche, likely not enough data to grab. For the 3rd one, I don't know if the "date of knowledge cut" isn't recent enough - powershell became a thingy more r…

Powershell came out 2006, well before the knowledge cutoff date of 2022.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else bearish on OpenAI?

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Post by wenc »

bmitc wrote: post #36
ghshephard wrote: post #9

OpenAI, at least in my day-day workflow for the last 9+ months has so superseded anything that google ever was to me that I'm having a difficult time comparing the two. I've got a monitor dedicated 100% of the time to ChatGPT, and I interact with it non stop during the flow of technical scenarios and troubleshooting situations that flow into me - working in areas that I have the slimmest of backgrounds in, and shutti…

Are you able to give a specific example of a problem it helped you solve? Especially one that you were at a complete blocking point, it provided some solution, and then you were able to continue to expand upon that solution. I keep reading responses like yours, but I haven't seen any specific examples of problems being solved, so it all sounds very abstract. In my interactions with ChatGPT, it felt like just interact…

I'm using ChatGPT 4 (paid) and it has solved a few problems for me. (it sounds like you're using the free 3.5 and also having some pretty unrealistic expectations of ChatGPT like asking for a full implementation of a WAM)

A mundane one: I have a list of lat-longs mapped to region codes, and I needed write a query to find the area of the convex hull of each region code. I knew how to do it in code, but I wanted a SQL answer. ChatGPT gave me the correct Redshift SQL.

A more involved one: I needed to maximize match x people y groups, where people can rank their choices up to 3, but as soon as they accept the match, they drop out of the pool. Plus a bunch of different constraints. Sounds like a stable marriage problem. ChatGPT proposed the Gale-Shapley algorithm, which was the exact one I was looking for.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else bearish on OpenAI?

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Post by wenc »

enumjorge wrote: post #50
ghshephard wrote: post #9

OpenAI, at least in my day-day workflow for the last 9+ months has so superseded anything that google ever was to me that I'm having a difficult time comparing the two. I've got a monitor dedicated 100% of the time to ChatGPT, and I interact with it non stop during the flow of technical scenarios and troubleshooting situations that flow into me - working in areas that I have the slimmest of backgrounds in, and shutti…

I'd pay money to watch someone like you work. Like other responders, I've tried using chatgpt multiple times, and very often when I've used it for tasks where I was familiar with the subject matter, I was disappointed in the results. It's possible I haven't learned the proper way to get what I need from it and would love to learn how others are using it to solve real problems. I mean it. I'd pay money to watch stream…

You can start by paying $20 for ChatGPT 4 and try it on tasks where you're familiar with the subject matter. I've tried it and I've been amazed.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else bearish on OpenAI?

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Post by wenc »

theossuary wrote: post #43
aprdm wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you using 3.5 or 4? And what kind of things are you trying to do ? It's not like asking it, copy + pasting results + paste errors loop takes a long time to validate if it works or not. Even when it doesn't work it saves me time vs google-ing and also not solving my problem. Or gives me insights.

In all honesty I've only been using InstantClaude so far due to the larger context window being something I'd want down the line. What should I be using in your opinion to get the best results? Examples I can think of where it gave wrong info was: - I asked to compare the size of the MacBook m1 and the 16" framework laptops - I asked how to add the nixpgs-unstable channel in NixOS. - I asked to help write a power she…

Try ChatGPT (GPT-4) or at least Claude 2.

Claude Instant will not give you the highest quality answers.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else bearish on OpenAI?

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Post by slau »

bmitc wrote: post #36
ghshephard wrote: post #9

OpenAI, at least in my day-day workflow for the last 9+ months has so superseded anything that google ever was to me that I'm having a difficult time comparing the two. I've got a monitor dedicated 100% of the time to ChatGPT, and I interact with it non stop during the flow of technical scenarios and troubleshooting situations that flow into me - working in areas that I have the slimmest of backgrounds in, and shutti…

Are you able to give a specific example of a problem it helped you solve? Especially one that you were at a complete blocking point, it provided some solution, and then you were able to continue to expand upon that solution. I keep reading responses like yours, but I haven't seen any specific examples of problems being solved, so it all sounds very abstract. In my interactions with ChatGPT, it felt like just interact…

One of my clients has their own instance of ChatGPT running. It is running on dedicated hardware, is trained on different data, and we can change the core prompts with relative ease. We even get to tune some temperature coefficient, which adjusts whether the LLM behaves in a creative or factual way.

This is because the client in question is in a regulated industry.

This week, we used it a bunch of times to help rephrase objectives while working in brainstorm sessions, allowing it absorb ridiculously large regulatory PDFs to give us summaries and ideas of what our greenfield project should focus on.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else bearish on OpenAI?

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Post by clauderoux »

Lately, I had a manual written in Word that needed to be stored on Github for easier access and translated into different languages. What I did was to extract each chapter as a raw text file and then asked Chat to convert it to Markdown. Not only did it recognize the different headers in the different chapters, but it also recognized the pieces of code and the different keywords that were described in the manual (this a programming language). When I asked it to translate it to French and Spanish, it detected the programming language keywords and did not translated them into French or Spanish, as it would be the case with deepl.com for instance, which usually had a hard time keeping Markdown codes intact. You can see the result here: https://github.com/naver/tamgu/tree/master/documentations

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else bearish on OpenAI?

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Post by xk_id »

jalapenos wrote: post #23

You're missing that ChatGPT has been immediately, practically, and extensively useful to millions of people. Crypto, after more than a decade, has been useful only to criminals and scammers.

Kinda hillarious how this comment concisely mixes logical, factual and semantic errors.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else bearish on OpenAI?

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Post by rich_sasha »

I would separate the quality from the hubris.

OpenAI and its acolytes are absolutely dripping with hubris. A lot of their peripheral activities seem like PR stunts. I find it really cringing.

But also I can't see how the future isn't bright for OpenAI. Maybe it won't overtake every single other business in the world, including bakeries and breweries, but at the very very least will eat the lunch of many lower-tier white collar industries. Maybe more than that.

I suppose that's the "Elon defence", except Sam Altman doesn't spew out nonsense the same as Musk, and what they say their product does, it really does. Not a self driving robo taxi case. And in either case, Tesla is at least an OK car.

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