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Re: Ask HN: GPT4 Broke Me

#71
A couple of angles. Firstly can you try to elevate your skills to more of an architect role and delegate most of the specifics to AI. Wrangling AI to produce something fast and good and cheap will be a highly sought after skill until AI takes over completely. Secondly can you moderate your expenses. Even here in Silicon Valley there are lower cost options for places to live for example modular houses (many large parks here) or possibly downsize into an ADU in someone's back yard.

Re: Ask HN: GPT4 Broke Me

#72
Some developers derive career stability by being the only person who understands a complex system at a company. This 'trick' has been undercut in a huge way.

It is much easier for another dev to understand your complex system now, which makes you replaceable.

Re: Ask HN: GPT4 Broke Me

#73
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Don't wanna make you feel worse but a friend of mine and nearly 20% of the company got fired a few days ago. CEO's justification? "We don't need you anymore, we will compensate your loss with chat-gpt & co. It's nothing personal, just business". To this day I can't tell whenever CEO's reasons were just outright lies, or if he genuinely thinks he can replace a fifth of his workplace just like that.

What I take from that is either the CEO doesn't take advice from a competent CTO, or he's lying and they used "AI" as a front to reduce the workforce for some other reason.

he also mentionned competitive pressure; basically competitors were also letting go of many folks due to AI and he had no choice but to do the same lol

Re: Ask HN: GPT4 Broke Me

#74
Ok, I'll try, since I went through that stage also in the recent past. I'd do a multi step thinking process to outline the bigger picture, hope I can communicate it good enough:

1. AI-assistence helps senior people even more that junior people right now. For example I can prompt ChatGPT far better what I want it to generate including some key points to consider that that juniors don't even know about. I can also start typing a solution with autocomplete in mind, knowing roughly how something like it will look like, to get optimal autocompletes over mutli lines, and can see right away if there are subtile problems that differ from my expectation. In total one senior + AI can compensate multiple missing juniors, but a junior cannot become that senior this way - GPT can be a good coach to get there over time, though.

2. This means roughly that companies will trim "fat" from the organization, but the remaining highly skilled people might earn even more (or at least not get fired) since they become more and more responsibility that was previously held by those fired people. It also means that bootstrapping something from scratch is now even more feasible if you're junior - these new AI-assited tools are quite good, and can augment individual weaknesses (like devs starting a company can use a marketing ai tool to build something good enough instead of typical abysmal UX/techblahblah raving about their product.

3. Both directions in point 2 basically leads to every dev over time becoming a manager: but not with humans as direct reports, but controlling powerful tools upto autonomous agents that execute unsupervised on nontrivial stuff. As software creation itself becomes a commodity, STOP VIEWING IT AS A CRAFT. its an industrialization moment, where especially the localized creativity/problemsolving part is automated away. Don't be proud of the code itself or similar, but about your ability to deliver products/projects in a fast and reliable way - so you can tackle more complicated problems within these products instead of always fiddling with the lowlevel details.

4. There is a paradox at play that is important to know: yes, we're at a race to the bottom when it comes to coding, so getting a software that does what someone needs goes towards (but not reaching) zero. Naively, this means that developers' time is also worth less and they will be earn less and less until being obsolete. But the cheaper something becomes, demand increases, since suddenly a lot of stuff is now in the financial range that it is worth tackling with code. I think its called "Jevons Paradox".

5. For you specifically, its simply moving up the abstraction ladder again, with prompting as a higher level programming language (but being able to drop down into lower messes if really needed, as always) + hard focus on the "shipping" part including better/cheaper fully managed hosting for stuff. Over a year, expect to do more different projects/products over the same time period and/or more sophisticated topics than before since you are freed from the lowlevel code monkey work rather soonish.

6. We're at the _start_ of the curve and times are wild, and my previous points already include a healthy future prediction (which is more like months instead of yers nowadays). Still it takes _many_ years until heavy changes in the economy really propagate through, since there are layers of people sitting on brakes. Computers and the Internet took (and still are taking!) maaaaany years to shift businesses, especially conservative areas (which there are A LOT).

Side note: while arguably there always might be some people left doing the really basics everyone else builds ontop of, who have to know their shit and go deep down the rabbit holes, there are concinving predictions that AI researchers will be jobless quickly, before many others, so I don't believe in that anymore. Better ignore this path when starting today, and strictly focus on raw shipping skills, which probably means managing/orchestrating some flavors of product-building-bots instead.

Bonus points: I'd buy the house, now, on fixed terms. Inflation is a thing that helps you here when you have a mortgage. Also when you are unable to pay the monthly rates for your house, what is different from not being able to pay your rent? Its not that much worse in practice. The only thing I strongly suggest is moving close to a big/growing city instead of buying property in a maybe beautiful village somewhere unknown, the curve is swinging back already with people moving back to cities.

Re: Ask HN: GPT4 Broke Me

#75

Nothing I have seen from ChatGPT has made me worried for my job. If your job is producing 20 line snippets solving variations of common coding tasks, ChatGPT is the least threat to your job security. To be honest the far greater threat to your job is an increase in the ammount of programmers plus an increase in individual productivity, with an industry declining in growth. There is your threat.

> To be honest the far greater threat to your job is an increase in the ammount of programmers plus an increase in individual productivity

That productivity increase by a level of magnitude is from AI tools or ChatGpt. The field is gonna get a whole lot more competitive, the salaries will suffer as well but maybe it will be for the better routing jobs to other fields other than programming.

What Im worring most is increasing inequality and the class who will wield most power from AI

Re: Ask HN: GPT4 Broke Me

#76

The more I use GPT, the less I'm worried. It is a tool, and a good one, but not a replacement for the thought required to design an app that will function, scale, and have good UX to result in a marketable product. So use it and enjoy its benefits while letting it help you perform even better. As far as everything else you've said... oof, you need a break. You seem focused on money and ego. Maybe it is time to simpli…

> The more I use GPT, the less I'm worried I'm curious, as I see quite a few people saying this. You might not be worried about GPT4, but aren't you at least a little concerned about GPT8 or whatever? Just having a post like this a mere 5 years ago would've been unthinkable yet here we are.

Ten years ago they were warning anyone who drove for a living that they'd soon be out of a job. I'm sure the day will come, but I can't help but feel that LLMs are in that same area where we can watch them do impressive things, but they are still a long way away from real autonomy.

Re: Ask HN: GPT4 Broke Me

#77

The more I use GPT, the less I'm worried. It is a tool, and a good one, but not a replacement for the thought required to design an app that will function, scale, and have good UX to result in a marketable product. So use it and enjoy its benefits while letting it help you perform even better. As far as everything else you've said... oof, you need a break. You seem focused on money and ego. Maybe it is time to simpli…

> The more I use GPT, the less I'm worried I'm curious, as I see quite a few people saying this. You might not be worried about GPT4, but aren't you at least a little concerned about GPT8 or whatever? Just having a post like this a mere 5 years ago would've been unthinkable yet here we are.

I don’t know what the future will be and I can’t control it, so no point in worrying like OP is

One thing I will add is that many people are considering it a given that chatGPT will keep progressing at the same rate

Re: Ask HN: GPT4 Broke Me

#78

The more I use GPT, the less I'm worried. It is a tool, and a good one, but not a replacement for the thought required to design an app that will function, scale, and have good UX to result in a marketable product. So use it and enjoy its benefits while letting it help you perform even better. As far as everything else you've said... oof, you need a break. You seem focused on money and ego. Maybe it is time to simpli…

This is correct to a degree, but consider what doors GTP is opening.

Its slow erosion of our responsibilities. If AI can do some of your work with minimal supervision then sooner or later managers will figure it out and reduce you job scope. Get an intern to do it.

We are certainly not at level where you can talk to chatGTP and give it requirements to generate code, but who knows where we will be in 5,10 years.

As a reason for my 'doomerism' consider digital artists industry right now.

I can imagine that if you are concept artist at game studio, you are probably seriously worried. AI will not replace all artists - you need specific and consistent art assets to be created, AI doesnt understand fingers etc - but some of the workload can be done by pretty much anyone. Or have artists take AI generated images and touch it up.

Re: Ask HN: GPT4 Broke Me

#79
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"...I use ChatGPT on a daily basis to build projects..." Really? What projects? I think its telling that you haven't replied to any of the comments here - is this post just BS? A take that really summed up how I feel about all this hysteria around LLMs and ChatGPT specifically: People are praying to it, treating it like an Oracle. Anything you can dream up, GPT can do. Its exhausting.

>is this post just BS? I think it is, because the entire thing reads as someone with very little life experience. If they've truly been in the industry 20 years they would have experienced plenty of similar career anxieties - the .com boom/bust, outsourcing, and global financial crises.

I've been through all those (started working in '99 at a company that failed in Jan '01). Seriously, it was 80% y2k bug work during the first year of my career.

This has me far more concerned, as I went into detail in another comment in this thread.

Much of what I see in this thread feels like platitude-driven myopia, which brings to mind the famous Upton Sinclair quote "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it"

Re: Ask HN: GPT4 Broke Me

#80
Here is what Chat GPT (3.5? the free public version) says about your post. It's rather annoyingly generic for my two cents.

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I understand that you're feeling a sense of uncertainty and anxiety about the future of your career in the face of advancing AI technology. It's normal to have concerns about job security and how automation may impact the field you've dedicated years of expertise to.

While it's true that AI and automation are transforming various industries, including web development, it's important to remember that technology also creates new opportunities and demands for skilled professionals. The key lies in adapting and continuously learning to stay relevant in the evolving job market.

Here are a few suggestions to help address your concerns:

Stay updated and embrace new technologies: Continuously learn and explore emerging technologies in your field. AI itself can be a powerful tool that enhances productivity and efficiency. By staying informed and incorporating new technologies into your skill set, you can remain valuable and adaptable.

Diversify your skills: Consider expanding your skill set beyond web development. Look for adjacent areas or emerging fields where your expertise can be applied, such as data science, machine learning, or cybersecurity. This diversification can make you more versatile and open up new opportunities.

Focus on problem-solving and creativity: While AI can automate certain tasks, it cannot replace human creativity, critical thinking, and problem-solving abilities. Emphasize these skills in your work and seek out projects that require innovative solutions.

Network and collaborate: Build a strong professional network within your industry. Engage with peers, attend conferences or meetups, and participate in online communities. Collaborating with others can lead to new opportunities and provide a support system during uncertain times.

Keep a growth mindset: Cultivate a mindset of continuous learning and adaptability. Embrace change and view it as an opportunity to grow and evolve professionally. Develop a willingness to explore new areas and acquire new skills as needed.

Regarding your concerns about UBI (Universal Basic Income) and healthcare, it's essential to stay informed about policy discussions and advocate for fair and equitable support systems for workers in the changing economy. It's a complex societal issue that requires ongoing dialogue and engagement.

Remember, you are not alone in your concerns. Many professionals are grappling with similar uncertainties. By proactively seeking ways to adapt and remaining open to change, you can navigate the evolving landscape and find new opportunities that align with your skills and interests.

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