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Re: Ask HN: Why are we more and more talking about the past here on HN?

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post #53

It's hard to know if that's really true. I've been here years (not under this account) and can't say I noticed any obvious trend towards talking about the past more. Still, speculating is irresistible so here's my 2c. It's because tech is relatively stagnant at the moment. i. A lot of traditional "hacker" stuff is about how computers work/are designed, but innovation there has largely stopped. If you look at the newe…

> If you look at the newest operating systems (Android, iOS, ChromeOS, Fuschia), they're all extremely same-y

Agreed. This is the central argument present in the old "Unix Haters Handbook". It describes Unix as a virus.

> Go, Swift, Kotlin etc - all nice langs but very much of a muchness and avoid new ideas

Agreed. This is what I think Greenspun was getting at with his "tenth rule".

> iii. Hardware: also stagnant outside of mobile.

Agreed, but I sure hope it doesn't stay this way.

I still want real smart glasses that look like regular glasses, but perform as well as an expensive VR headset.

My wife still wants digital nail polish like the receptionist in Total Recall (1990) has.

> Web ideology has been fading with time and Google's dominance.

I'm not sure that "web ideology" was ever really a thing outside of those responsible for describing why the WWW took off. The reason I say this is that people have been trying to shoehorn it into an application delivery platform since almost day #1. If something akin to Java applets had taken off, then I think we'd be looking at a very different, significantly-less-open web today.

Re: Ask HN: Why are we more and more talking about the past here on HN?

#72
post #9

You know how flared jeans are back in fashion, for the fourth time? Well .. that's AI, and colourspace, and writing your own LISP. If you don't want HN to do old stories, stop wearing flares!

> stop wearing flares

Wearing flares, in the right context, can be hip and counter-cultural as well!

https://genius.com/Dexys-there-there-my-dear-lyrics

Re: Ask HN: Why are we more and more talking about the past here on HN?

#73
post #17

Extreme lack of innovation in tech. Everything “new” is bland, corporate, rehashed, locked down, drivel. There’s still great stuff happening but it’s not universally interesting like things tended to be years ago.

Things weren't universally interesting years ago either. There was plenty of corps being late to industries, producing bad products or services that were out of touch and clearly hadn't consulted with real-world users.

We just tend to remember the victors. Have a skim through some old computer magazine archives, or old audio gear magazine archives, you'll soon realize that there was a lot of junk even 40 years ago, let alone plenty of inappropriate uses of tech that never caught on in any meaningful capacity. The industry has always been full of solutions in search of problems.

Some sick, demented part of me loves seeing whacky and weird over-engineering of decades-past. Another part of me loves being humbled by realizing the potential of something that simply never caught on, but is now lost in terms of patent limbo or IP ownership. I've bought a few old bits of tech, loved them and make regular use of them.

Re: Ask HN: Why are we more and more talking about the past here on HN?

#74
Something, something…

Marshall McLuhan had something to say about the phenomenon of how the emergence of new media drives society to retrieve remnants of the past…something new influences us to seek out something old.

Or something like that.

But yea, there’s something going on.

The cold, pale, glare of tokenized elucidations from large language models.

Re: Ask HN: Why are we more and more talking about the past here on HN?

#75
post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> All the latest Culture Wars, malice, scams, cancellations, filter bubbles, misinformation madness etc would not be possible without the Internet. The latest , sure, by definition. But nah, people were plenty good at getting worked up much earlier than the internet.

Search for “satanic panic” for a TV era example.

Satanic panic happened in the US, UK and that's it. The ills of the modern internet are globally distributed.

Re: Ask HN: Why are we more and more talking about the past here on HN?

#76
post #24

Its likely a combination of many factors. i) The demographics of the user base. Maybe "Young Hacker News" happens inside discord or whatever. ii) The fact that the past keeps growing . The body of interesting developments keeps growing and while some stuff is obsolete / nostalgic, other stuff is totally not. In fact revisiting the mindset and vision of past decades is many times very inspiring and educational. iii) T…

(i) Do anyone knows where that would be, or you know specific Discord servers? I would very much like to see how younger generation talk about tech, programming, entrepreneurship

I have been on some of these Discords.

Do you remember the comments sections on torrent links, where people ask questions about things that were already explained in the torrent's readme? Discord is like that; people don't bother searching and ask the same things over and over.

Re: Ask HN: Why are we more and more talking about the past here on HN?

#77
post #55

The older you get, the more you realize that all the shiny new stuff, and exciting news, and ways the world is changing...they are really not all that new. Pretty-similar stuff happened decades, centuries, and millennia ago. And getting worked up about all the "new and exciting!" is an outlook best suited to being a simple consumer of entertainment. Vs. if you're no longer a kid, in a world that has some rather dire…

Nothing like generative AI has ever happened. This is new, which is part of why it’s so exciting. No I don’t think these things are going to become sentient (in their present form at least) but no technology has ever been able to do what these models do.

It's significantly less exciting when you know that the economics of generative AI means that it's largest and most popular use case will be for uninteresting things like automating the graphics for a block of Facebook ads.

Re: Ask HN: Why are we more and more talking about the past here on HN?

#79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> All the latest Culture Wars, malice, scams, cancellations, filter bubbles, misinformation madness etc would not be possible without the Internet. The latest , sure, by definition. But nah, people were plenty good at getting worked up much earlier than the internet.

Yes but not at this speed and scale.

Counter point to this, is that centralized mass media enabled early 20th century fascism and communism to thrive. Hitler's head of propaganda, Goebbels, supplied subsidized radios to the Germans and used it to funnel propaganda into German households at the speed of light. Goebbels had this to say about it:

"It would not have been possible for us to take power or to use it in the ways we have without the radio....It is no exaggeration to say that the German revolution, at least in the form it took, would have been impossible without the airplane and the radio. ...[Radio] reached the entire nation, regardless of class, standing, or religion. That was primarily the result of the tight centralization, the strong reporting, and the up-to-date nature of the German radio....Above all it is necessary to clearly centralize all radio activities, to place spiritual tasks ahead of technical ones,...to provide a clear worldview"

While a decentralized internet may host extreme views in certain pockets, it also enables a diversity of viewpoints to be expressed, which more often than not serve to regulate those in power as well as inform those without.

Re: Ask HN: Why are we more and more talking about the past here on HN?

#80

Its likely a combination of many factors. i) The demographics of the user base. Maybe "Young Hacker News" happens inside discord or whatever. ii) The fact that the past keeps growing . The body of interesting developments keeps growing and while some stuff is obsolete / nostalgic, other stuff is totally not. In fact revisiting the mindset and vision of past decades is many times very inspiring and educational. iii) T…

Not sure what you mean by 3, tech is just, well, technology; it can be used for good or bad, just like nuclear bombs. I see a lot of upcoming innovations that will be a net good for humans in the future.
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