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Re: Ask HN: What's your experience with remote working? as employees/employers?

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I'm an employer. Quick background: We're a small Django consultancy/web app development company based in the UK. 7 people, all remote, split as three developers, one frontend dev, one designer, one sales, one administrator. I'm a developer/managing director. Our experience with remote working has been largely very positive. - It keeps our overheads very low. I think that when we remove our staff wage bill, our operat…

On the point of organisation, it reminds me of the Chinese proverb;

Even the faintest ink is better than the best memory.

Re: Ask HN: What's your experience with remote working? as employees/employers?

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I'm an employer. Quick background: We're a small Django consultancy/web app development company based in the UK. 7 people, all remote, split as three developers, one frontend dev, one designer, one sales, one administrator. I'm a developer/managing director. Our experience with remote working has been largely very positive. - It keeps our overheads very low. I think that when we remove our staff wage bill, our operat…

I would like to note that I've worked both remotely and on-site and that hiding a lack of motivation or results from the team is not a remote-only problem. It does sneak up on you a little easier if you're remote, but we all know That Guy that looks really productive until you realize he's been playing Minesweeper for three months. (Not making that one up - in his defense, Minesweeper was new and exciting at the time…

Now it's minecraft :)

Re: Ask HN: What's your experience with remote working? as employees/employers?

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I've had both excellent and terrible experiences. Ultimately, the biggest issue I've run into is companies and individuals who are frightened by the concept of breaking the mold that is sitting in an office for eight hours a day (for whatever reason, not doing that either places you into the "lazy" or "destined to be a failure" pile).

In addition to this, two other problems are: the failure for managers to coordinate and oversee "virtual" employees and the inability for those remote workers to communicate effectively.

From the management perspective, you have to be comfortable with not being able to walk over to someone's desk at the drop of a hat. There's definitely a change in cadence that takes some getting used to, but some people just hate the idea of not being able to walk across the room and chat (nothing wrong with that).

On the communication side, quite unfortunately, many people fail to communicate well (i.e. poor writing skills, lack of articulation in speech, etc.). Save for a decent amount of training, this is probably the hardest aspect of remote employment to deal with. If you can't talk the talk and explain yourself properly, you're pretty much useless to who you're working with.

Great question.

Re: Ask HN: What's your experience with remote working? as employees/employers?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find the use of SVN to be a good predictor for a place using the waterfall model and calling it "agile", not using TDD and so on. It's my "one wrong candy" clause if you will. (can't find the article right now, but some bands make one insane request for their backstage that can be instantly checked, when it isn't perfect, they know to check through the whole list of the stage setup and so on, otherwise people liter…

Wow. My "no black M&Ms" rule is a lot less discriminating than yours (btw, the band you're thinking of was van Halen). I don't care if clients use SVN, or CVS, or whatever they want. I just want the answer to the question "What do you use for source control?" to be something other than "Source control?"

I guess times change? Five years ago, that was my black M&M too.

Re: Ask HN: What's your experience with remote working? as employees/employers?

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post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would like to note that I've worked both remotely and on-site and that hiding a lack of motivation or results from the team is not a remote-only problem. It does sneak up on you a little easier if you're remote, but we all know That Guy that looks really productive until you realize he's been playing Minesweeper for three months. (Not making that one up - in his defense, Minesweeper was new and exciting at the time…

Now it's minecraft :)

We do have a company Minecraft server!

Re: Ask HN: What's your experience with remote working? as employees/employers?

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I've been on both sides. As an employer, I've had no problem with it. As long as the people that you hire are self-motivated enough, it will work out. But that makes hiring a bit more challenging.

As an employee, I enjoyed the freedom and trust that my employer gave me. I had the same issues others have mentioned with feeling isolated, but managed to alleviate that by going to conferences and meetups. Keeping involved in the local community is important.

Re: Ask HN: What's your experience with remote working? as employees/employers?

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I'm a remote Ruby developer. Most of our team is on-site. My main problem is: online communication makes discussion much more complicated than face-to-face, so you don't contribute as much ideas when people brainstorm or otherwise solve creative problems. If you have a lot of ideas, that can be depressing. I visit the office several times a year, mostly to share thoughts and socialize.

Complete agree. I worked remotely (as dev, dev manager, and head of pm) for about 5 years for 2 different organizations.

The biggest problem was always when there were some people local to one another who would get together physically to tackle a problem. Either they wouldn't think to dial-in the remote team members at all, or they would but the discussion would be conducted in such a manner that it was impossible to fully participate (i.e., poor speaker phone, whiteboard drawings, projector w/o webex).

I think remote teams can be very effective, but it is crucial that the entire org be oriented around communication channels that give the remote team members equal footing. I almost think the ideal is all or nothing -- everyone is remote or no one is.

Re: Ask HN: What's your experience with remote working? as employees/employers?

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I am an employee of a company based in Virginia but work from home in Rochester NY. Been only doing this since last December, but I am loving it and will have a hard time going back to commuting.

Lots of people with prior telecommuting experience warned me about issues like isolation, putting on weight (because of proximity to food) and lack of discipline. Now after telecommuting, I feel that I have none of these issues. I have friends that I play tennis with or meet up occasionally for drinks, and I feel that more than makes up for the lack of social interaction. Regarding food, I used to eat out when I commuted so now I have more control over what I eat being at home. Lack of discipline is a problem only when you see it as a lack of discipline. I have moments when I want to stop work and read HN, do a tutorial etc. This actually helps me getting back to work in an hour or two with fresher focus on the problem.

All in all, I believe remote work is the future. The so-called benefits of an "impromptu technical discussion in the hallway" might seem nice, but in terms of getting things done, it has no advantages over interacting remotely. Its really a puzzle why more companies don't adopt this.

Re: Ask HN: What's your experience with remote working? as employees/employers?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are already comfortable with remote working, why not to become independent consultant, rake up your compensation 2-3 times and spend 1/2 - 1/3 time on client's project and other time on traveling/hobby/family and learning/researching? No matter where you live, once you get enough references and track of success - you will get this 2x - 3x rate easily.

That is exactly my intention, and for the reasons you mentioned (time flexibility, more money, more interesting work). But, like most things, the biggest problem is starting... and convincing my wife that I'll able to fly once I step off the cliff.

... and convincing my wife that I'll able to fly once I step off the cliff.

I was fortunate enough that my wife (although highly skeptical) was trusting enough to go along. Sometimes you just have to make the leap. Wish I had earlier, instead of listening to my fears and the fears of those around me.

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