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Ask HN: Are companies becoming increasingly pushy? If so why?

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Re: Ask HN: Are companies becoming increasingly pushy? If so why?

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If so what are some reasons why this is occurring?

They want your info so they can track you more easily. This is mostly about selling ads.

Because companies dominate the product and so they feel they can get away with it? Because companies grow and lose their first principles? Because of the pressure to always be growing?

It's like passive income or free money.

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The wisdom—which likely was already around before but became the common sort that everybody making and funding software projects knew by some time around 2010-2015—is that there's no real money in the open Web. To make serious cash you have to own a platform. That means exclusion and lock-in. You only really participate in the open Web for initial growth, if even then.

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Twitter makes more money showing TARGETED ads, ads that dont have a demo targeting are not nearly as valuable

Old school webmasters (perhaps this is redundant phrasing) know that's okay. Back in the day, you'd say "I'll put your animated gif on my site for $500 per month" and if you had a networking forum Cisco or whoever would happily pay that secure in the knowledge that your viewers were in the market for their product. Lesson: target the content, not the viewer. You know the general demographics of who is engaging positi…

Print magazines worked on the same principle; the ones that are left still do. I subscribe to one magazine. In it, all of the editorial content is up front and the back third is nothing but ads. I still read them -- sometimes I start there! -- because I genuinely want to know what's going on and what products are available in the niche this magazine covers.

Re: Ask HN: Are companies becoming increasingly pushy? If so why?

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Good news, one of Elon’s top priorities is to remove this nagging stuff and make Twitter fully usable via browser again.

Believe it when you see it, not when you hear it.

I was just able to doom scroll Elon's feed back into October, so maybe it's only enabled on some accounts?

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Agree. There's a bunch of websites I don't visit anymore: Pinterest (you need an account just to browse pictures? c'mon!), Reddit (some subreddits are only available via the app... I'll never install the Reddit app), Instagram, Medium, Twitter, lots of newspapers. I thought I was going to miss them, but I haven't.

Same here, I’ve simply written them off.

The sad thing is the next generation never sees what’s been taken from them, and our absence merely solidifies the new norm.

Re: Ask HN: Are companies becoming increasingly pushy? If so why?

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Does that work consistently for anyone else? I don't have a Twitter account but there are a couple of Twitter posters I occasionally check on - and I'm still seeing the "See more Tweets from ..." modal at times (I just verified it now).

I tried in Chrome Incognito mode and I have yet to encounter a popup, but I only sampled a few persons and only scrolled for a few minutes, so I am not sure if they only reduced the threshold or if it's not yet rolled out everywhere.

I wouldn't be surprised if it somehow sees in the cookie that you've logged in before and prompts to login.

I've not seen one for awhile now, but I have no logged in ever.

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I mean it’s the Walmart model; be cheap early, get less cheap over time. My 5,000 foot philosophical take is because they were never making money in a day to day business way and relying on low interest rates to inflate values through money shuffling schemes to game attention. Over time models made it apparent they would never make long term business sense as software improved and automation took over, so it’s a medi…

Is that the "Walmart model"? Out of curiosity, I just checked their financial statements. For FY 2022, they had a gross profit margin of 25.1%. In comparison, for FY 1986 (the oldest year I have easy access to), they had a gross profit margin of 25.9%. That hardly seems to fit the pattern.

Re: Ask HN: Are companies becoming increasingly pushy? If so why?

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Big companies hire "digital marketers" who try to push metrics up to justify their jobs and salaries and demonstrate some form of growth.

Why do you see intrusive cookie banners on every website? So they can force people to hit accept and get their GA metrics higher. Why do you see login required on many pages? So they can get their login / registration numbers higher. Companies might lose some anonymous viewer traffic when requiring a login, but the money is largely made off of targeted advertisements for logged in users so they want to push you in that direction and harvest that data.

You might be deterred into not using a service by that popup, but the data shows that enough people will just go ahead and sign in or register and so it's worth it to the company to add it. One of the first companies I work for had me add a big modal that asked you to sign up for their newsletter when you visited their homepage after you scrolled down for a second. I thought it was intrusive, but it absolutely got people to sign up so I couldn't really argue with it.

Re: Ask HN: Are companies becoming increasingly pushy? If so why?

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The reason is simple: These companies are ad-supported. When you create an account and log in, the ads they show can be better tailored to your interests. This is especially true for companies like Pinterest, where users catalog their interests on the site. I think this is surprising to people for two reasons: 1 - We've been told the "companies sell your data" narrative for so long that many people don't realize that…

But the thing is, for the most part the 'big tech' companies haven't created a service/product that users are interested in paying for.

Tangentially, just last week I received an email from a product company that I'd purchased goods from before. It had probably been over a year since my last marketing email from them. I click on the link in the email to check their products, but don't buy anything primarily because I can't easily figure out the advantage of one particular product over the other. For the remainder of the week and this past weekend I have received one to two emails a day with additional offers and new products. Will I visit their website again? Probably not.

Re: Ask HN: Are companies becoming increasingly pushy? If so why?

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Believe it when you see it, not when you hear it.

I was just able to doom scroll Elon's feed back into October, so maybe it's only enabled on some accounts?

Try it and see, I suppose. My experience of it is that you can read an individual conversation but if you just look at some random person's timeline it will only show you a few tweets before asking you to log in.
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