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Re: Ask HN: Discord banned me with no recourse

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Post by leephillips »

vachina wrote: post #42
JonathanBeuys wrote: post #30

I don't get it. We keep seeing these dystopian stories again and again and again. Does anybody really believe it will ever stop? Or will we all live in fear of losing a lot of work and valuable connections by being banned from one of our social accounts? I already lost one Instagram account that I put a lot of work into. One day, Insta suddenly asked for my birthday. After me putting it in, all I saw is "Sorry, this…

Not your server, not your data. Host your own mission critical services, and don’t commit too much to (especially free) third party services.

Exactly right. People choose to give these companies power over them; they choose to submit to tyranny.

Nobody can ban me from email, or from my own website.

Re: Ask HN: Discord banned me with no recourse

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Post by rglullis »

viraptor wrote: post #58
rglullis wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OP is arguing about us stop relying on over centralized corporations and to start using the tools (that already exist!) based on free software where such type of arbitrary rulings are impossible. Your response is "mah regulation". On Hacker News of all places, I'd expect that people were at least willing to take control of their lives and actions, and not to cry from oppressive authority to another, thinking that we…

You wrote this like the ideas are mutually exclusive. They're not. I want both regulation of massive internet services and for mastodon and others to become more common choices. > based on free software where such type of arbitrary rulings are impossible. Software license has nothing to do with what rulings are possible. If you're found to be doing something illegal, it's on you to figure out how to deal with that. I…

> You wrote this like the ideas are mutually exclusive.

No, I am writing like one of them has shown to be completely useless in effecting any type of real change, while the other is an equalizing force.

> Software license has nothing to do with what rulings are possible.

The software license has nothing to do with it. It is the economic and social forces that differ.

Re: Ask HN: Discord banned me with no recourse

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Post by mavhc »

JonathanBeuys wrote: post #50
vachina wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not your server, not your data. Host your own mission critical services, and don’t commit too much to (especially free) third party services.

You cannot self-host identity. You cannot self-host a social graph. If people would host "abc liked my tweet" and "xyz follows me" on their own server, then everybody would claim that Billie Eilish liked all their tweets and Joe Biden is their best friend. People go on social media for the social graph. You can do that via a central authority (and live in fear that everything is taken from you) or you can do it via c…

only if you rely on a domain name for identity, instead of private/public keypairs

Re: Ask HN: Discord banned me with no recourse

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Post by kaibee »

qzx_pierri wrote: post #69
JonathanBeuys wrote: post #30

I don't get it. We keep seeing these dystopian stories again and again and again. Does anybody really believe it will ever stop? Or will we all live in fear of losing a lot of work and valuable connections by being banned from one of our social accounts? I already lost one Instagram account that I put a lot of work into. One day, Insta suddenly asked for my birthday. After me putting it in, all I saw is "Sorry, this…

You gotta stop putting all of your eggs in one basket. Also, connect with these important people outside of Discord. You have to assume these sites/services will ban you at any moment. Contingency planning isn’t just for projects at work!

> You gotta stop putting all of your eggs in one basket.

This isn't free or even possible for a lot of people. I think it would be better for society for this cost to be imposed on the Discords/Metas/Googles of the world, than for it to be imposed on their users.

Re: Ask HN: Discord banned me with no recourse

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Post by mavhc »

haunter wrote: post #36
ctrlmeta wrote: post #14

The popularity of Discord always surprises me! It takes hard work and time to create an active community. Why put all that hard work and time into a corporate-controlled platform that can lock you out of it anytime they want? How do people feel ok taking such a big risk? Why not use an open protocol like Matrix (or IRC if you're savvy) to form your community?

>The popularity of Discord always surprises me! It takes hard work and time to create an active community Free dedicated voice chat with rich text chat. It was meant to take on Teamspeak, Ventrilo, Mumble etc. And it successfully did. >or IRC if you're savvy Totally different use case, not even comparable

Typing to people you don't really know on the internet? Seems the same use case

Re: Ask HN: Discord banned me with no recourse

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Post by throwawayuydw »

This happened to me - they absolutely will not unblock your # unless you know somebody who works there beyond the support queues. I was told by a friend who did a stint at Discord that standard flow is churn new accounts, and that's acceptable because their users are already used to name churn.

Re: Ask HN: Discord banned me with no recourse

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Post by naasking »

bruce343434 wrote: post #26
chinathrow wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I understand why they are being made, but it's getting a bit tiring to see these on the front page so frequently. It's getting a bit tiring to see that these large corporations still can't figure it out on how to treat your user base regarding de-platforming.

This is barely "hacker" and definitely not "news".

Hackers build these platforms. It's important for them to see and understand the common failure modes.

Re: Ask HN: Discord banned me with no recourse

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Post by naasking »

raxxorraxor wrote: post #6

Any service that forces a telephone registration for verification is crap in my opinion. If you need an account professionally, you need a mobile phone to be provided for you. This is in your interest and that of the company if they decide they want to use your account beyond your employment for example.

Do you have a better way to increase the probability that the signup is a real human being and not a bot of some kind?

Re: Ask HN: Discord banned me with no recourse

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Post by mistermann »

qzx_pierri wrote: post #70
kemiller wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are but that’s precisely the problem. More and more of our vital communication channels are owned by single private entities. IOW public discourse is being replaced by “public” discourse. The promise of blockchain solutions is that they can return us to the status quo ante of the internet where there were open protocols that operated in a decentralized way. Whether it can fulfill that promise, I don’t know. But…

The internet is not real life. It seems a lot of people who hold your opinion are in the 18-24 age range. Those people who grew up thinking the internet is the only way to communicate or “make things happen”. But I assure you these private companies do NOT have to let you use their services, and common excuses such as “Online communication is like a public square!” is not rooted in the desire for free speech, but is…

> The internet is not real life.

Ok, if the internet is not "real" life, then what is it?

Is it "in" reality? Do we interact with it? Does it interact with us, or within the ineffable, largely unseen soup of causality from which how things are/become in this world emerges? Does anything matter?

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