I feel this way about tabs. Mobile browsers get it right by assuming users will have a million tabs open that accumulate over time because they forget to close them. Desktop browsers don't handle that gracefully.
Ask HN: Why are bookmarks second class citizens in browsers?
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Re: Ask HN: Why are bookmarks second class citizens in browsers?
#72bring back del.icio.us!!!
Re: Ask HN: Why are bookmarks second class citizens in browsers?
#73This is actually a big reason why I use Firefox despite the weaker security: the bookmark ergonomics are just that much better. When I'm browsing, I don't want links in the top bar to tempt me to context switch, so my bookmark bar is off and my left hand rests next to my keyboard. If I want to navigate to a site, I either type in the URL if I remember, or hit Ctrl+B to pull up my bookmarks. I put the bar on the right…
What do you mean by "despite the weaker security"? Did I miss something about a security hole?
Firefox's sandbox is a little underwhelming on Linux: https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/firefox-chromium.ht...
Re: Ask HN: Why are bookmarks second class citizens in browsers?
#74I thought it was a commonly held thought that Google didn't want Chrome users using bookmarks because it directly competed with their search (and advertising).
I think that's venturing into tinfoil hat territory. More likely telemetry told them that some percentage > 50 always toggle the bookmark bar off and they decided to make it the default. It's still there on new tabs after all. Companies like Google are long term greedy, they don't make unpopular UX decisions for scraps.
More likely there was a large amount of telemetry saying that the bookmark bar was visible but never used by a large group of users.
I can never imagine e.g. my mum turning the bookmark bar off, but I can certainly imagine her just totally ignoring it/not knowing what it is.
Re: Ask HN: Why are bookmarks second class citizens in browsers?
#75Just use a Session Buddy extension, rather than just heavily relying on Bookmarks.
Re: Ask HN: Why are bookmarks second class citizens in browsers?
#76Modern WebVM improperly named browsers for legacy reasons do exists for surveillance capitalism sake, not for the end user. Bookmarks in that sense are not much "first" nor "second class" citizens, it's the human a second class human-{data,money}-cow to be milked.
GAFAM interest (and their equal "competitors" in Russian Fed. and China) is that the human live connected to their services, dependent on them FOR ANYTHING, having bookmarks means less search engine usage, having RSS means less aggregators usage, having local MUA, perhaps even on a local maildir NOT leaving messages on the server since perhaps you have yours at home and on it many different mails from different services, some even yours directly, means less webmail usage, witch in turn means less "cloud storage", calendar, ... usages.
To elicit more money not only they need surveillance, they also need users pay to be surveilled in exchange of breadcrumbs (the useful part of the service they offer, witch is NOT negligible BUT compared to their earning it's actually a breadcrumb service) and lock in. The best way is full integration because we are "fully integrate minds" and if such integration happen on someone else computer that owner own us de facto.
That's is. The original web, the "modern Mundaneum idea" [1] is not the actual web, the actual web is not the original companion of usenet. Is just a few-giants-own-nearly-all arena.
[1] see Paul Otlet, Henry La Fontaine Mundaneum history
Re: Ask HN: Why are bookmarks second class citizens in browsers?
#77I reckon I’ve just ticked over 10,000 days of web browsing. And I’ve never once used a bookmark. Not even once. Maybe I’m the second class citizen?
Hopefully you're doing ctrl+L. Just as long as you're not clicking in the url bar, selecting and deselecting it multiple times before you press END and then mash the BACKSPACE and then start typing h t t p : / / ...
Re: Ask HN: Why are bookmarks second class citizens in browsers?
#78Just get a SessionBuddy or similar extension.
Re: Ask HN: Why are bookmarks second class citizens in browsers?
#79You're not alone, I want even more: or load a window with all my productivity SaaS sites. I want to open a tab with a page that's an index consisting of the bookmarks of some folder in the bookmarks bar. That's obvious to me: when I'm researching some topic, I drag the interesting finds onto a folder in that bar. Once I have a list for consulting later, I would like that list to be presented as a list of links, much…
You can do mostly that in Firefox itself. Bringing up the bookmarks side pane (CMD+B on a mac). Right click on any folder -> "Open all bookmarks" will open the full folder. Creating folders and subfolders is as good as categorizing will get, so you could organize your bookmarks by month by creating folders per month.
I also recommend using Firefox Containers (mostly for privacy and security reasons), and then you can also reorder you open tabs by container.
Re: Ask HN: Why are bookmarks second class citizens in browsers?
#80I think Vivaldi is the only Browser, where I think the bookmark-thing is good. It is on the side, allways open if you like, and you just can drag a site into it. All others have it on top somewhere on a bar and you have to go thru menus to add something.