I find the whole "economic gloom" sentiment a bit odd. We're at extremely low unemployment, and GDP took a small dip in Q1/Q2 but is projected to start growing again in the second half of the year. The S&P 500 is down less than 10% from it's all-time high. Inflation was an issue for a while, but a lot of that seemed to be driven more by temporary supply constraints in certain sectors than any actual currency devaluat…
I think you know the answer: > The recent interest rate hikes also didn't seem to have nearly as much impact on the markets as everyone feared they would. Markets aren’t rational
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#72I find the whole "economic gloom" sentiment a bit odd. We're at extremely low unemployment, and GDP took a small dip in Q1/Q2 but is projected to start growing again in the second half of the year. The S&P 500 is down less than 10% from it's all-time high. Inflation was an issue for a while, but a lot of that seemed to be driven more by temporary supply constraints in certain sectors than any actual currency devaluat…
> We're at extremely low unemployment Back in 2018/2019, when I got curious and looked at what signals people look at for recessions, too low unemployment was one of them.
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#73I find the whole "economic gloom" sentiment a bit odd. We're at extremely low unemployment, and GDP took a small dip in Q1/Q2 but is projected to start growing again in the second half of the year. The S&P 500 is down less than 10% from it's all-time high. Inflation was an issue for a while, but a lot of that seemed to be driven more by temporary supply constraints in certain sectors than any actual currency devaluat…
Amazon is running out of people willing to work in its warehouses; gig work gets old fast.
Low unemployment is unsustainable if it’s unfulfilling errand running.
There’s little net new invention going on in entrenched big tech; Bezos and co are riding high on mathematical inference by accountants; it’s a math scam being forced upon people who can’t “see” how he’s not really invented anything new; distributed computing under unified api; wow.
Capturing eyeballs is easy when the masses are oblivious; the biological quirk religion stumbled upon is being intentionally manipulated.
Except for nation state prestige, there’s little net new coming out of all these tech companies; writing apps and todo lists? Come on. Video games? 40+ years old. Better chat bots? Meh.
Story mode still rules; we’re iterating on the childhood nostalgia of 70-80s kids who also happen to be the early tech boom crowd; shock. Where is the net new? We’re getting faster with higher resolution.
Propping up the dollar in lock step with history. Which is why I believe all the pipe dreams about singularity and rockets to nowhere will never happen; kids growing up with these things will see sooner than the elders who were mesmerized by this stuff that it’s all “nuclear powered rocket cars” again.
Generational churn is what’s creating the rocky situation politically. Society will stabilize on a “new normal” as more of the 50+ crowd dies off. And the normal the 20-30s crowd wants is progressive; they’ve not lost their desire for political change as they age into their 30s like prior generations did as inequality still controls their life; prior generations lost their progressiveness as they bought houses and had families; something even 30 year olds cannot do; the elders have monopolized having a good life. The young want to be represented by like minded people and are just waiting out the resistance.
80% of last gens Fortune 500 are gone. Electoral turnovers flush corruption and open up economic gains for public: https://www.nber.org/papers/w29766
Same will happen as the elders with monopoly on politics die. Chip companies aren’t going anywhere, but HN is a filter bubble; there’s little dedication to these stupid software companies among the young; see FB use tanking among teens. No one I know under 40 cares about Metas verse, but it was on Today the other day! They’re gaming the clueless. The veil is pierced and frankly software as an industry deserves it; most is copy-paste work while everyone else grows their potatoes.
Re: Ask HN: Which startups are thriving in the downturn?
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
Knowing people that make under 60k a year, and how harder their lives got and how hard it is to pay back loans and other obligations they where ulitmately strong armed into taking to improve their position. Not to mention how alot of western nations have a large majority of people are pay check to pay check regardless of their tax bracket. Working class is a good litmus of how the economy is doing vs S&P because spec…
It's always been hard for people in those income buckets. But if the question is: are we in a massive economic downturn over the past half year, it's really hard for me to look at the data and answer with a yes. One thing I'm looking at is: https://realtimeinequality.org/ And that's showing that for the first time in over a decade, the bottom half is seeing real wage/wealth gains, even after recent inflation. Am I mi…
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#76In the crypto ecosystem the compliance and anti-fraud space is doing very well (it's about time): https://techcrunch.com/2022/05/24/doppel-helps-nft-projects-... https://www.coindesk.com/business/2022/07/20/ai-based-startu... https://www.theblock.co/post/159791/center-raises-11-million Shameless plug - Doppel and Optic are direct competitors for what I've been building: https://fnftf.io/ (We're the only solution that…
- There just isn't that much KYC-worthy commercial+retail transaction volume, and a lot that does exist is from just a handful of big exchanges etc. So there is some revenue here, but not enough for standalone co's at current ecosystem's level. The "real" KYC play is still largely investors speculating on a future years from now and propping these co's up.
- There was a lot of crypto startups needing their smart contracts vetted. Still some $ overhand from last 2-3 years where these are still happening. A bunch of crypto companies cratered, and we'll probably keep seeing that, so uncomfortable inbetween period for these auditors too.
- Two big areas growing are (a) gov are getting more into chasing this stuff down and (b) banks are warming up to crypto offerings. The former is real revenue for teams who know how to work with tricky gov entities, and the latter is POC $. I'm seeing some compliance stuff happening (similar to how Stripe does taxes for you know, imagine someone doing KYC for you accepting ETH), but again, tiny market that's really a speculation for who-knows-when.
It's pretty "easy" to hustle $Xm in services contracts, but big recurring revenue is not so clear cut due to the market.
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#77- Gov, especially cyber + analytics (we do graph ai + gpu viz stuff)
- Supply chain: A slowdown is happening, but COVID, regional conflicts, etc. makes needs for manufacturing etc. companies here super burning
- Cyber + fraud: The need hasn't gone away (more automated attacks every day!), though companies based around VC blitz and pushing their gaping tech + operational holes to acquirers are hurting as fewer people happy to give them free $
- Devops was hard and remains hard. Digital transformation is an ongoing process and still needs a lot of help.
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#78Traditionally companies involved with gambling do VERY well during recessions. It's not really an industry I want to be in but a lot of folks I knew who worked on or build slot machines/slot machine tech got huge bonuses during the last 08-10 years. Plenty of smaller companies in that space if you look for them.
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#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
Knowing people that make under 60k a year, and how harder their lives got and how hard it is to pay back loans and other obligations they where ulitmately strong armed into taking to improve their position. Not to mention how alot of western nations have a large majority of people are pay check to pay check regardless of their tax bracket. Working class is a good litmus of how the economy is doing vs S&P because spec…
> how hard it is to pay back loans and other obligations they where ulitmately strong armed into taking to improve their position It's been a while since I've been in that income bracket, but I don't remember ever being strong-armed into taking on unnecessary debt. What are you referring to here?
But another example that comes to mind (as someone who lives in that income bracket about half by choice and half not) are car repairs (you HAVE to pony up or you lose your job, so the question becomes 'borrow 1k or lose 100% of your income').
Oh, and any time childcare is fucked up for any reason. Kid can't go to daycare/school because they're sick for a week? Parents don't get PTO, so their only option is to eat a week's worth of wages, and since income in is close to or level with expenses out, that means making it up with debt.
The 'strong arming' comes in because society is set up to make those your only options. (versus having public transit to rely on, walkable cities, or cheap car rentals, for example).
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#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don’t know about much about the space but my first impression is the initial pitch is confusing. Fight NFT Fraud sounds like a service for company buying/selling NFTs, and needs to stop attacks on their system and is actually slightly vague. Seems like people can check if a specific NFT is stolen or improperly minted? Lead with that. CarFax for NFT (but even more important) Is that NFT Stolen? Check now. Then after…
Thank you for the feedback! Yes, I'm glad the core sentiment and functionality comes across. One of the biggest issues in the space (for Tovera and FNFTF) is that the crypto ecosystem is so sleazy no one in our targeted user/customer base (slightly sophisticated users and beyond) trusts anything or anyone - and rightfully so. In reaching out on Twitter, etc getting anyone to engage with something like FNFTF to even u…
Now this is coming from, as I said, a person not in the space. Your users more sophisticated but still think language could be sharper.
If could already show last few NFTs searched for might be the best (yes always easy for person to suggest things they don't have to implement, ha)