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Re: Ask HN: Tips for Reducing the Number of Inboxes

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Post by bhawks » Mon, May 23, 2022, 1:26 PM UTC

albertzeyer wrote: post #19

The EU is planning to require big online messaging services to be interoperable. https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/24/22995431/european-union-d... This would solve it. Then you could simply use a single app. This is a political thing. So, vote for it, talk to the politicians.

Why is this a 'political thing'?

Did I miss the campaign to define SQL? Of the one to specify the x86 ISA? Perhaps they should merge the arm and x86 architectures, they're both CPUs right?

This feels very far away from a 'political thing'.

Re: Ask HN: Tips for Reducing the Number of Inboxes

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Post by endisneigh » Mon, May 23, 2022, 1:27 PM UTC

capableweb wrote: post #67

endisneigh wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s funny you mention browsers because there are a ton of sites and features that only work on chrome and not safari. Not sure that’s the model to follow. Fundamentally though chat is different - where would the messages be stored for example? Who will guarantee deliver ability? Email is federated and has all of these things but sucks and so everyone made their own thing. I’ve yet to see evidence this just wouldn’t…

> It’s funny you mention browsers because there are a ton of sites and features that only work on chrome and not safari. Is that because Safari doesn't implement everything decided by the standards bodies or because Chrome deploys their own features? Probably a mix of both, but eventually there is a convergence. Things work surprisingly well in modern times. I'm not sure when you started using the web, but back in th…

My point is that email basically hasn't evolved meaningfully from the 80s and other than the main feature of sending text all of the functionality is locked between specific providers. Tags vs. folders vs. labels, chat without email, encryption, etc. Nothing other than the baseline functionality is standardized.

Re: Ask HN: Tips for Reducing the Number of Inboxes

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Post by loudmax » Mon, May 23, 2022, 1:40 PM UTC

bhawks wrote: post #71

albertzeyer wrote: post #19

The EU is planning to require big online messaging services to be interoperable. https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/24/22995431/european-union-d... This would solve it. Then you could simply use a single app. This is a political thing. So, vote for it, talk to the politicians.

Why is this a 'political thing'? Did I miss the campaign to define SQL? Of the one to specify the x86 ISA? Perhaps they should merge the arm and x86 architectures, they're both CPUs right? This feels very far away from a 'political thing'.

Politicians shouldn't be in charge of defining interoperability standards. But politicians can mandate that companies be interoperable.

Regulation is hard. This doesn't mean that rules shouldn't exist.

Re: Ask HN: Tips for Reducing the Number of Inboxes

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Post by coffeeblack » Mon, May 23, 2022, 1:41 PM UTC

That’s what I use a phone for. You get all the different notifications from all the different apps in one notification stream.

Also, there is no reason why you couldn’t be one of those friends who “only use Signal”.

Re: Ask HN: Tips for Reducing the Number of Inboxes

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Post by OJFord » Mon, May 23, 2022, 1:48 PM UTC

endisneigh wrote: post #63

OJFord wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is the problem you're imagining solved by having just a single company in charge of the app?

It’s not - the company usually also has the keys, so you have to trust them.

If you call that E2EE then all E is.

Re: Ask HN: Tips for Reducing the Number of Inboxes

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Post by endisneigh » Mon, May 23, 2022, 1:50 PM UTC

OJFord wrote: post #75

endisneigh wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not - the company usually also has the keys, so you have to trust them.

If you call that E2EE then all E is.

If you want interoperability you would need true e2ee, I never claimed single company regular encryption was e2ee

Re: Ask HN: Tips for Reducing the Number of Inboxes

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Post by bhawks » Mon, May 23, 2022, 2:28 PM UTC

loudmax wrote: post #73

bhawks wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is this a 'political thing'? Did I miss the campaign to define SQL? Of the one to specify the x86 ISA? Perhaps they should merge the arm and x86 architectures, they're both CPUs right? This feels very far away from a 'political thing'.

Politicians shouldn't be in charge of defining interoperability standards. But politicians can mandate that companies be interoperable. Regulation is hard. This doesn't mean that rules shouldn't exist.

Just because they can doesn't mean they should.

Should they mandate that video game platforms be interoperable? What about mandating that every company produces apps that interoperate with windows Mac Linux and mobile.

Re: Ask HN: Tips for Reducing the Number of Inboxes

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Post by nicoburns » Mon, May 23, 2022, 2:32 PM UTC

dmd wrote: post #46

nicoburns wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are these first-party messages from the platform, or is it more akin to spam email where they're just letting through spam messages from spammers?

Mostly first party.

Interesting. I have all of WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger, Signal and Telegram (+ SMS and email, but I'm guessing these aren't the issue) installed on my phone with notifications enabled, and I only get notified when I receive a message. I'd be interested to know which services are spamming you.

Re: Ask HN: Tips for Reducing the Number of Inboxes

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Post by flanbiscuit » Mon, May 23, 2022, 2:55 PM UTC

I don't have a perfect solution for you but this problem has been on my mind for a couple years now and I was calling it "communication fatigue".

> Does everyone just deal with it?

Basically, yes. In my case I just end up not stressing about responding to things in a timely manner. Outside of my work apps (outlook,slack,teams), I am the most responsive on email and Instagram chats but that's mainly because I open and use that app on a daily basis. In Whatsapp, I mute any group chat that is too active because I don't need distracting notifications every hours or less.

Do I miss things? yes, but I've never really missed anything super important and my friends know to shoot me a SMS text or use one of my more active mediums (instagram or gmail) to get in touch with me for important things.

The best I can say is just prioritize and train your friends/family to know which medium you are most responsive in. Disable notifications on apps you barely interact with or mute very active individual chats that aren't important

Re: Ask HN: Tips for Reducing the Number of Inboxes

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Post by albertzeyer » Mon, May 23, 2022, 2:58 PM UTC

bhawks wrote: post #77

loudmax wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Politicians shouldn't be in charge of defining interoperability standards. But politicians can mandate that companies be interoperable. Regulation is hard. This doesn't mean that rules shouldn't exist.

Just because they can doesn't mean they should. Should they mandate that video game platforms be interoperable? What about mandating that every company produces apps that interoperate with windows Mac Linux and mobile.

Difficult question indeed. And that even leaving aside the technical questions.

But wouldn't it be nice? Netflix, Amazon, Apple, Disney, all together? Or always cross platform apps? Is there any real benefit for the user that they are not interoperable?