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Re: Ask HN: Who here is juggling two or more remote jobs? How is it working out?

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Not doing this myself, but I've worked a couple of contracts over the past few years where the workload and expected outputs were so small that they could easily have been handled as a second job alongside a more regular job with regular workloads. Think 1 hours work a day.

In both cases I resigned the job out of boredom, but I could easily have kept them on and worked a full second job with no one noticing.

Re: Ask HN: Who here is juggling two or more remote jobs? How is it working out?

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're presenting opinions as if they are absolute facts above questioning. If you have a full-time job and you only need to do ~20 hours a week of work to complete all your deliverables, you could absolutely get another full-time job and have it go fine.

No, it won't "go fine". You'll be lying to both of your employers. That's not "fine" and it can't possibly end well for anyone.

How do you know anyone lied? If you have two fully remote jobs, and the workload for each one is ~20-25 hours a week, and the times don't overlap... I was trying to get you to actually provide reasoning, or evidence, or even "I acknowledge it's my opinion but I feel this way because __________" but here we are with more "I'm right, you're wrong, you're dumb if you disagree."

Please try again because this is a point I'd love to actually discuss rather than just having you talk past me.

Re: Ask HN: Who here is juggling two or more remote jobs? How is it working out?

#73

If you're two-timing on clients / employers (that is, plainly working two FT jobs at once) -- you can't expect that to end well. If you're working > 50 hours a week (or whatever your personal limit is) for more than 1-2 months -- that won't end well for your health or business relationships, either. That's the score, basically.

lots of people work far more than 50 hrs/week on a regular basis, this is not a huge deal if that's your jam. If you're working multiple salaried positions, or double-billing your time, that's a different story.

Even multiple salaried positions might be fine depending on the specifics of each one.

Re: Ask HN: Who here is juggling two or more remote jobs? How is it working out?

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post #60

I was on the other side of this: We had a remote worker who got a new job but then tried to hide it, collecting paychecks as long as possible. For any manager paying attention, it wasn't difficult to spot. He would swing between being eager to please and virtually unreachable. We didn't have many meetings or phone calls, but he had more scheduling conflicts than anyone else. On the rare occasion that we had high urge…

so why didn’t you pay him more so he would not need to juggle jobs?

Why do you think this is the case? Some people can never get enough, i know some people who complain so much that you'd think they were living in the streets but their household income exceeds 500k, it is just a mentality thing.

Re: Ask HN: Who here is juggling two or more remote jobs? How is it working out?

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I am so confused with comments in this threads. Since when did tech employees became so submissive and scared? As far as I know, having 2 jobs is not illegal, not unethical. Many, sadly, low income families have to work two or more jobs. We in tech make enough but what if you are bored and need more challenges. My current second job is family but I know multiple single engineers (or in one case, with grown up kids) w…

Having 2 jobs isn't inherently illegal. But pretty much every single full-time employment contract for an SWE that I've seen, stipulated that I am not allowed to have any other full-time job for the period of my employment.

To add an opposing anecdote, after 30 years in the biz I've never seen this. Not once.

Re: Ask HN: Who here is juggling two or more remote jobs? How is it working out?

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post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having 2 jobs isn't inherently illegal. But pretty much every single full-time employment contract for an SWE that I've seen, stipulated that I am not allowed to have any other full-time job for the period of my employment.

For SWE or other programming/code related positions I can see that making sense. You may only write 30 minutes of code in a day but the other 7.5 hours is spent either cogitating over the problem and creating the environment that allows you to solve the problem or participating in your team to make sure everyone is on the same page. You split that 8 hours between 2 companies and unless you are significantly under-emp…

That's the problem, isn't it? You don't have to give it your all. You have to give it your enough.

Re: Ask HN: Who here is juggling two or more remote jobs? How is it working out?

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post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Working a side job is typically not allowed for most full-time employees, at least not without permission.

Does that stipulation that they write into the contract have teeth though? A lot of companies put a lot of stuff into contracts, it doesn't make it enforcable.

The contract may not have teeth, the employer doesn’t own 24 hours of an employee’s time and has no legal basis to dictate what an employee does outside of the workplace.

However, in the US “at-will” employment is the norm, which means either party can terminate the employment at any time for any reason, or no reason. If the employer finds out an employee is moonlighting or freelancing in their spare time they can simply fire the person, and cite violation of policy or give almost any reason that isn’t illegal. The contract would only matter if the case got into court, and that’s unlikely to happen since the employee has no right to a job in the first place.

Re: Ask HN: Who here is juggling two or more remote jobs? How is it working out?

#78

I've been working multiple remote jobs for the past 4 years. I'm currently working 4 full time engineering roles and a part time contract. It's been tough but a great experience. The main struggle is scheduling and making sure you can make all the meetings. It's also tough finding the right job which gives you autonomy to form your schedule. The main perks are obviously money and not caring about getting laid off. In…

interested in knowing how do you manage your time at 4 FTE roles ? I also would like to understand the systems / machines that they provide

Re: Ask HN: Who here is juggling two or more remote jobs? How is it working out?

#79
post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To provide a little more info. It is possible to request a freeze on your info, but of course they make it annoying. They appear to be sourcing the data from payroll management systems like ADP. Your organization might not even be aware that they're sharing and selling your paycheck information.

I especially distrust companies using outsourced payroll and benefits startups for this reason.

Payroll and benefits are complex and hard to administer. Complying with overtime and income tax rules across jurisdictions alone make outsourcing payroll and benefits a sensible decision for many organizations.

The problem isn’t outsourcing a difficult and error-prone requirement that is never part of the core business (payroll and benefits). The problem is those outsourcing companies selling that data or using it for purposes other than managing payroll and benefits. Unfortunately we live in a world where anything we participate in, voluntarily or otherwise, potentially exposes us to data harvesting and our information sold to the highest bidder.

Re: Ask HN: Who here is juggling two or more remote jobs? How is it working out?

#80
post #60

I was on the other side of this: We had a remote worker who got a new job but then tried to hide it, collecting paychecks as long as possible. For any manager paying attention, it wasn't difficult to spot. He would swing between being eager to please and virtually unreachable. We didn't have many meetings or phone calls, but he had more scheduling conflicts than anyone else. On the rare occasion that we had high urge…

so why didn’t you pay him more so he would not need to juggle jobs?

As long as you can fire them and find a replacement for the same price, why would you ever increase pay? Especially for a worker that is underperforming?
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